Aikido

that killed me dude

you must know is that they are doing it slower than what they are capable of so that you are able to see what is actually happening. This is easier for the students to learn them.

Just like taiji, a chinese martial art, they practise it incredibly slow. So slow you won't even think that they are fighting. But what they are actually doing is that they practise it slow to perfect the little details so they can do it fast and good. So that is why you never see the attacker really attacking cos they are not.

Demonstrations are shown for learning and now for performance. That is why. Hope my comment helps you.

learning aikido is like learning to play a guitar. u cant start playing fast right away, or it will certenly S**k .
thats teaching, starting slow and raising the speed slowly.
to the comment beneath me:
aikido is not about winning. have you ever seen an aikido competition? no, cuz aikido is not for bragging or winning something. u use aikido to make your opponent wish he didnt even start the fight, and with him attacking all that time it gets him tired too. and in ALOT of aikido techniques you can break someones hand\leg\other body parts easily

And in fact this problem, if you can call it a problem, with most of the classical martial arts. Dont get me wrong, Ive always been fascinated with Aikido, and have considered taking it. But Ive always been a bit suspicious because it seems to be too complex - too many things have to happen just right for it to work.

I hate to bring up UFC and Pride fighting - I know they are not accurate representations of a real life truely no-holds-barred life and death situation , but they are as close to a laboratory test case as I have access to (since I dont witness nor partake in any real fights.) I simply dont see any effective use of Aikido techniques. Im not sure of the statistics, but from my informal viewing it seems that fights are "won" by knockout (striking), choke out, or some kind of arm bar - rarely anything else.

I just wonder that, if the guy your trying to defend against is not willing to stand there and wait while you twist and move around to get him in some kind of a joint lock that you can control him with (e.g. his other fist will be headed straight for your jaw ASAP) then can this really work?

Silly question though - its all good in one way or another if you train hard enough and get something out of it.

I have to say, hes got nothing on Snake. :P
But yeah, I took some Aikido. It's easy in class, but outside of class, you cant really do that many things. First of all Aikido is mainly to use it against others who know martial arts, honestly, how often do you see a person attack without flailing their arms or lookin like a cocky boxer? In this video it was obvious what types of punches he was anticipating v.s. reality, you have no idea what the crazy bastard might go for. What im trying to say is that like bobomo said, it can be useful if you are good at it, but outside the dojo, not many people will give you the correct setup to do half the moves shown.

u are missing the point.
and the point is that aikido, like some of the _real_ martial arts it is not a sport, and it is not ABOUT fighting. when u practice aikido u forget anything about competitions. there are none of them. if u are very good u can have black belt in 2-3 years in karate. if you are very very good u can have black belt in 8-10 years in aikido. of course this depends on the confederation ur in.
when u learn aikido u do not learn fighting technincs. u learn lifestyle. dont u ever wondered how could an 80-90 year old man move like that ? :)
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u say that these skills are almost useless when u have to fight in real life? that's not true. i already had used some of them without knowing what i am doing and i'm practicing it less then a year which is nothing.
what u see on the demostration videos is just running and flying people. :) u dont see the little parts of movements if u do not practice aikido. when a master of aikido starts moving you, u _dont _have_ to_ do_anything. u can cooperate or not. but if not u will have bones broken and muscles ripped.
the other important thing is that an aikido master very rarely attack anyone. most of them, never. if u want something u have to move. and if you have parcticed those 3000 basic moves and variations u cand deal with almost any attacker. of course if it's coming without a gun :D

and the correct setup is not needed. after a while u just know where to move to do not get hitted, where to
catch to have a sure grip. and where to push to have your attacker be as far from u as he can.

it is not about beating people. it's about defending yourself from almost anyone. :)

u sure talk about martial arts like u love to watch them... but how many of u did practice them? as ashnur said aikido is not about fighting... a true master will never fight, and that is why u never see 2 masters fight (I will love to see that though), only a master and a kiddie :D... a master does not use setups... but only learns them... it is his choise if he uses them or not... later in his training, when he is verry good, he will not use any technique... he just let the move flow in the direction he whants, and depending on what experience he got he can redirect quite much moving in just few steps. Have u ever watched a master who throws down his opponent with just a finger? that is beacause noting is neglected... even the interior of the opponent... an action in the exterior can do much harm in the interior... after all the aikido is much based on the Tao, huh?
Another thing is that in this movie the attacker used karate moves... of course, I took lessons in kung fu, so it is just a presumtion... while karate is verry competitional, is is fairly non usable on the street, while aikido is meant to be usable everywhere even in closed spaces with many opponents (in fact a good master will use this in his advantage). karate moves are slow beacause of their nature of non direct hits... from what i learned in my few lessons(3 years are VERRRRY few compared to what can achieve a human) the most important hit is the first, that has to be verry light and fast... to allow a succesion of hits! but there are no rules on that. anyway, my love remains kung fu, but i was wondering...
HOW MANY OF U BELIEVE IN CHI OR SAW A DEMO LIVE?

PS: sorry about my english... its pretty bad, isnt it?

first i'm going to take out your legs. Then i'm gonna break your face.

Everybody's got a plan until they get hit. God you would be a freaking human punching bag.

the reason they cooperate is because if they don't, their wrists or arms will be snapped in half. in my tkd class we use some hapkido and i'm usually the "attacker." trust me, these guys can put you in a world of pain just twisting one little thig, and i'd rather fall down and get back up than fall down with a broken wrist.

I'm not that well versed in aikido and I agree with you. That's why I took up systema. But the thing about aikido is that in a life or death situation, you don't use the fancy move until you can do it instictually. If someone is good at a martial art, it doesn't matter how you attack them, muscle memory takes over. So, if both combatants have skill it falls down to who is faster, stronger, or remembers their technique and adapts to the situation best. As my current teacher quotes, I forget from whom, "If it takes one punch, you have skill, if it takes two punches, the other guy has skill, if it takes three, then it's martial arts."

she wasnt beaten... if she was beaten then in 10 seconds she would cry cause aikido is much based on pain! also if this would not be a slow demo... i think a few bones had to be missing their places... :D

I've only been training for 14 months. I'm not saying I could do wrist throws any better. But my sensei demonstrates nearly every class the importance of strength dynamics, stance, and mechanics. I'm sure this guy has mastered all those building up to this point, but as a demonstration, he is choosing style over substance.

aikido is not about mecanics... its about movement flow... u got to feel it... he felt she is not 200 lbs :)))... but if u looking that way u can hit a kid with your perfect technique... this gui in the movie probably coud hit her in the face and it was all the show over, and he can do all that standing and relaxed... and by the way if u lower your center of gravity when this is not needed u are toasted, since some tehniques relay on the presumtion that u can phone him (is this the corect term?) even the stances, not only the future hits... have phun :|

Most certainly, the whole ethics before a fight. Largely what determines the outcome is a correct sizing up of your oponent, usuing enough, not more not less... so his stance was more than adequet.
I agree that though Aikido may not be the best street fighting technique... because it's NOT! It's not to fight, I'm Japanese and the literal translation means "way of peace" it's a completely defensive non aggressive martial art. Designed to give one just the amount of defense needed. THerefore most street fighters in asia, good ones. They mix they're martial arts, learning a variety of blows. From Aikoido, Jujitsu, Kung Fu, Tai Kwan do, karate, etc. even boxing. But just the main thing is Aikido is purely a defensive martial art, where you train for years and years, to where your body automatically reacts and your reflexes are conditioned to move in a certain way, just like you jerk from fire, without thinking. which is what gives you the speed. I hope it makes some sense.

You never want to break your centerline. Master Shimabuku demonstrated that breaking your vertical alignment does the same for your balance as having a weight dangled from your neck.

Again, I normally wouldn't post for these things, but people need to stop thinking of martial arts as magic. It's not like it is in the Matrix; you just can't toss someone away like that. You can do it, but it's going to require effort, and you're going to encounter resistance. People see this and think "Wow, Aikido, I'll just toss my attackers around." B.S. But, again, it can be done. With proper stance and proper mechanics.

Guns will defeat all martial artists from a distance. But a person can close a short distance faster than you can pull a trigger, especially if that person angles during the attack.

Everyone ought to train in martial arts, at least a little bit. You would be less likely to ever hurt anyone, once you realize how you are put at a disadvantage when you begin an attack.

If you're 5-6 feet away from me you're going to have a minimum of 2 bullets in you no matter how you jump. If my gun is on you. If it's holstered that's different.

wanna bet?

I'll make you look the the jackass kiai guy for 5000 bucks.

Hey Red, why don't you post a vid and show us all how it's really done?

I will post a video of my ukemi. I have trained Aikido for 15 years. If youd like to see some other stuff I do, Look for "Mario Villanueva" on Metacafe. I do some martial arts with my Master there. Ill let u know when My Aikido Vid is REady.

Hey Red, why don't you post a vid and show us all how it's really done?

steven segal?

This Nage (the guy throwing) never faces his opponent squarely. He is very dependent on his embellished turning motion. He makes several mistakes where you can see that A) he doesn't actually take the Uke's balance effectively B) his technique actually lacks power. He's far from the best I've ever seen.