your car is already wasting gas because it does not burn all the way in the combustion chamber.

HHO makes the gas burn completely, which gives you more acceleration and power, which means you dont have to push on the pedal so hard, which means you save gas. You barely have to push the pedal to accelerate fast with hho.

Nobody really knows about it yet, atleast those who need it. Mine works great and I love it.

This stuff just started to become popular about 2 months ago, as far as new comers.

it's a scam that's been around for ages.
If it worked the big 4 auto makers would have already installed them to keep their big profit makers selling .(large trucks, SUV and especially HUMMERS)
It takes about a gallon and a half to make one half gallon of hydrogen fuel so right off the bat you're wasting a whole gallon of fuel.
Hydrogen also has a nasty tendency to cause metal to become brittle so some time in the short near future you'll be looking at costly mechanical repairs.

everything you just said is total BS!

It does not make the metal brittle....

Big car companies are "Friends" with the oil companies, so why would they make cars that get better mpg right away, when they can just make them a little bit better every year so you keep buying them

If a car company suddenly came out with a 100mpg car, then they would lose alot of money because people would not have to keep buying newer cars every 15 years to get one that gets better mileage.

Why does YouTube keep deleting videos that show people how to make REAL zero point energy? Because this whole country is controlled by a small group of people who DO NOT want you to develop or use this kind of tech.

They tell you "its not possible" and "law of thermodynamics this and that" just to keep people from even trying.

Then, when someone finally does develope a very efficient form of energy, like these devices, the oil companies hire people to go around on the internet and call these devices "scams" to scare people away from the technology.

But, its too late now, the cat is out of the bag, and REAL free energy generators are also already being developed, but they keep deleting the videos off of YouTube so people dont find them.

The whole point of a scam is to make money.

Ok so, by your logic, anything that anyone does to make money is a scam.

So when you go to the grocery store, and when you pay for your groceries you say to the clerk "by the way clerk, your scamming me, because your making money from me"

No, you buy groceries because you enjoy the benifit of it, it gives you USE value. Same goes for any product, whether its tangible or a set of plans that come with master reseller rights.

The water-powered car scam is as old as the automobile. There's been a flowering of them with the increased price of gas, especially, for some reason, on Metacafe.

Electrolysis requires more energy than can be produced by the resulting hydrogen gas, as anyone with a basic knowledge of chemistry knows. The reaction you're proposing is:

2H₂O + a little electrical energy → 2H₂ + O₂ + a little potential energy → 2H₂O + a lot of heat energy

In other words, you get out more than what you put in. This violates that pesky Second Law of Thermodynamics.

I have unique proof videos at my website on my main channel.

There's a video of a mileage test on a Chevy Duromax Turbo Diesel using a ScanGuage to test the MPG.

The guy is getting about 50mpg on his diesel.

because, since it's a hybrid, gas is only part of the story. The battery is also contributing energy. How many ampere-hours per mile does it get? Since the energy in the battery was originally obtained by burning coal, how many pounds per mile does that work out to? Also, the battery must be recharged and eventually replaced, which costs money. When this amount is added to the cost of water and gas, how many dollars per mile is it? How does this compare to an unmodified vehicle?

Most importantly, though, what is this method's efficiency compared to other methods? The chemical reaction I described earlier assumes 100% efficiency, which is of course not the case. In reality, energy would be lost during the process. Would it be more efficient to use the electricity directly? If the aim is simply to modify existing vehicles in order to improve their efficiency until they can be replaced with electric ones, is it necessary to cart around the electrolyzer? That thing, and the water itself, is heavy, which affects fuel economy. Another option would be to build an external electrolyzer to keep at home, and use it to fill a tank inside the car with hydrogen (and possibly another with oxygen, if doing so improves fuel economy more than just using oxygen from the air, though as I understand it that's what you're already doing). What are the relative energy densities of water and pure hydrogen gas? Since most of water's mass is oxygen, which is readily available from the atmosphere, chances are that hydrogen gas's is higher, though on the other hand, water's probable higher density could possibly make up for that. If that is the case, is using water still better when the effect of the added weight is factored in?

I'm willing to bet that using pure hydrogen is more efficient, because that's the direction actual scientific research is going (i.e. fuel cells). It may well be that what you have developed is an efficient, inexpensive, and unpatented method of converting a gasoline vehicle into a hybrid gasoline/hydrogen vehicle (although I doubt it). If that turns out to be the case, though, that should be what your product actually does, rather than fooling around with this "water as a fuel" nonsense.

Thats your problem? Because the words "water as fuel" are not scientifically proper?

Who cares how many apere-miles the battery gets...this is about giving people a FAST solution to high gas prices. I bought a professional welded steel hydrogen kit that pump out 50 litres of HHO per hour. And thats the smallest (for a 2 litre engine) But they cost $700 each.

Your alternator, which can already produce an extra 3 volts if needed, (which most new computers will regulate based on what things are running on the car: lights, a/c, etc) , and the fuel used to turn the alternator is maybe 1 %.

How many pounds per mile does the battery work out to? I dont understand that one. Who cares if you get an extra 50% on your MPG.

You said :"Also, the battery must be recharged and eventually replaced, which costs money."

I say: Yes, and your alternator recharges it. These kits dont drain your battery.
And yes, you should always replace your car battery every 3-4 years, with or without an HHO generator.

Add the amount of cost of water and gas? You do not use that much water, only change it every 5 days or so many miles, it depends of the vehicle & the kit. Cost per mile also depends on the vehicle & kit, seeing a lot of improvement with Diesel though.

What is the efficiency compared to other methods? Um....do you know any other way to get over 50% better mileage without serious and expensive modification?

This chemical reaction that I Am describing does NOT assume 100% efficiency, but can increase a cars gas mileage by and over 50%.

Maybe it breaks that retarted "second law of thermodynamics" (get fired up now!) that I love so much. They said the microprocessor was impossible too....right? My hho generator eats those pesky " laws of thermodynamics" for breakfast, son.

You mention that "If the aim is simply to modify existing vehicles in order to improve their efficiency until they can be replaced with electric ones"

And heres my quick opinion on fully electirc vehicles.

Hybrid cars are some of the Worst Polluters!

How's that you ask? Ever read the label on a rechargeable battery? You can't throw them out. They're toxic and contain heavy metals that can pollute ground water. The battery in a hybrid car is also a rechargeable battery and they can weigh as much as 600 pounds. Think of 20 years from now, all the hybrid cars sitting in junk yards with their batteries leaking heavy metals into the soil!

You said "That thing, and the water itself, is heavy, which affects fuel economy."

I say: ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Did you just say that it and the water is heavy? Are you serious?.... its a freakin jar of water! It barely factors in. I just know the end result is +50% better mpg.

Ok, about having the electrolyzer at home and just filling a tank inside the car full of hydrogen. My answer is you cannot do that because then you will be driving a hydrogen bomb around.

But you can build a big enough cell and system and convert a car to run on 100% hho, as long as the system output is strong. A handful of people so far worldwide are driving in cars that use water ONLY as a fuel catalyst, no gas at all.

What are the relative energy densities of water and pure hydrogen gas? You know, i looked and looked and I just dont know. You tell me. Sounds like you read a lot of physics books.

Do you know that I myself have no formal education, none. I just like inventing things using the method of "I keep trying new things until it works, then I adjust it until its better, and I repeat that process until I get results that impress me."

Now, you asked "is using water still better when the effect of the added weight is factored in? Thats a great question! The answer is yes, and if you really want you can build a car to run using WATER ONLY as a fuel catalyst. It takes time and money. If you have a good mechanic buddy, it will probably take less time and money.

Ok and last part is when you tell me "It may be that what you have developed is an efficient, inexpensive, and unpatented method of converting a gasoline vehicle into a hybrid gasoline/hydrogen vehicle.......that should be what your product actually does, rather than fooling around with this "water as a fuel" nonsense."

Now, heres my answer and I totally understand your point. Your point is that the title is not correct, or scientifically proper. Right? The reason for the title is because it contains the search terms of what most words people would enter if they wanted to learn how to do such a thing to their car. Its how I make my living, its called getting the product to the biggest audience of people who would want to know about such an invention. Not put out the most proper title so that only certian people will ever find it.

Im sorry that the title is misleading to YOU but it makes alot of sense if you really dont care about the details but like the results.

I have not been trying to push this product on you, i just hate people calling it a scam. I test everything before I sell it.

people calling it a scam, then you shouldn't do so much to harm your credibility. The water-fueled car scam has been around for ages, and when you say "I have a water-fueled car, please give me money", then people naturally assume that you're trying to pull the famous scam. If you want to include commonly searched for terms, feel free, but clarify that they are misconceptions. If you distance yourself from the pseudoscience, you'll be able to enter the mainstream, and you won't have to worry about being shut down by people like me who know about the scam, but, unlike me are not knowledgeable enough to see that there may actually be some scientific basis for you're claims. I was seriously considering bringing this to Metacafe's attention, which I imagine would have complicated things considerably for you.

Also, stop saying stupid things. That «really» hurts your credibility. Hybrid cars are not fully electric. That's why they're called "hybrid cars". The second law of thermodynamics is one of the most fundamental cornerstones of modern physics, and denying it instantaneously labels you a crackpot. You say you have no formal education. Unfortunately, it shows. You might want to remedy that if you want anybody beyond the fringe to take you seriously.

Many people are starting to use them, and I have not heard of a single person not getting a significant increase in fuel economy.

So if this is what you call a scam, then I guess the world needs more scams, because the point is that it DOES work and most people can see that it does work without worrying about where the "second law of thermodynamics" fits in.

Is it enough to make a difference?

Do you mean make a difference in the world or pollutin, could you be more specific?

These HHO fuel cells are catching on real fast, especially for Diesel Truckers. It makes a difference in america because when the truckers save money gas, food prices go down.

Large companies are already starting to produce and distribute pre-manufactured HHO generators that can produce up to 100 litres of HHO per hour, but they cost about $2000 each.

Thats why it is cheaper to just make your own for now.

you're talking about hydrogen fuel enhancement. If you had said that from the beginning, I would have just Wikied it, seen that it was legit, and said, "Hey, cool." I might have even ordered one.

I cannot for the life of me understand why you think it makes good business sense to impersonate a well-known scam. All that does is bring the wrath of the educated down upon your head, which results in a major reduction in sales. In reality, though science is on your side. There are papers, published in peer-reviewed journals, that support you. As it is, only the fringe will buy your product. Why not go mainstream?

I have to gather the money, and refine some ideas first before I go big. Im not the only one who is selling these kits and plans, I am just a reseller or "affiliate" for the company.

The problem is, the federal gov. already has the #1 page on google search for "increase gas mileage" and they hold their page at #1 by force.

But the page I'm creating at the moment has so many kewords that google will have no choice to make it #1. I have created many top ranking websites before so I am making this next one my masterpiece.

I cannot afford to advertise on tv, anyway, its cheaper to use free websites online because when someone is looking for a "fuel saving device" or "how to get better mileage" they usually look on Google first. I just threw up a few videos to get things started, but your right, most people coming to my page at the moment are just looking to get the plans for free and quickly leave, but im still doing well for my first month.

But the page I'm creating is going to have a list of all of the best fuel saving devices and tips, like the best spark plugs and air filters as well as HHO generators. I like to help people save the most money even if they buy the other products instead of mine.

When I open up my autoshop I will have the kits pre-made for people to buy, along with a display vehicle but I'm moving to San Antonio TX first to be near a bigger city to start my HHO autoshop.

I am glad to see that we are not arguing anymore, sorry for the confusion.

I guarentee if you put one on your car you will sing a different song.

How am I supposed to eat for sharing the plans with everyone for free? I spend 5 months coming up with the design and you want it for free?

Im giving people WAY more in use value than I ask for in return. The Plans pay for themselves in less than 20 days.

I saw an HHO generator with an autofill resovior just for that purpose. So you only have to fill it once a month....but still people would forget.

Most people are reporting around 50% percent increase in their MPG.

Some report over 75%.

It seems to work very well with diesel engines too.