Perpetual Energy?

That would be cool.

I'm going to make such a plane and paint NASA on it, then wait until it's dark and point it at the moon and let it go.

I'll put my phone number on it so when somebody who lives on the Moon finds it he or she can phone me and let me know.

That will be cool.

And I'll have a new friend on the moon also.

Thanks man for your inspiration.

Eddie, I think zf23 should put my name on the plane..... after all, it was my idea. What ya think? He is trying to add to my idea. You dont add to somebodys idea. That is just plain thieving it.

Your crazy T-Rell! There's room for everyone on your plane to no where. LOL! :)

Something that should be in mass manufacture today, because public electricity companies offer anything BUT "clean and affordable power".

monkey on the plane and let him fly forever

Monkeys are cool...

and spank your monkey into a vacuum cleaner

'hydrogen engine' has been reinvented and reintroduced that an insurmountable amount of opposition has arisen to quel and crush out the concept, which is the sole reason that the world is still dependant upon fossil fuel (the cesspool of the earth) instead of the far simpler and completely pollution free renewable power sourses that even our ansestors were familiar with.

-ancestors-

you are cheatting! that idea came out last year from China , they going to use magn... instead of Gas for getting power , for cars and many thing else . Nice Try! :o)

The Small Moter Acts as a mini generator,The poleraty of the magnets on the lid are South and the one he is holding is North,Which causes the lid to turn which then turns the moter to generate the power.

so by that stupid explanation of someone who seems to be a nine years old , you think you figured it out , well !! no, even if the magnets are placed to repel , after all under the laws of physics and thermodynamics the magnets will come to rest in a certain position where the forces are added to be zero ( like the magnetic force against normal forces or the torque produced by them to balance the magnetic effects) it will move in the begining under the effect of potential energy produced by the person who moved the magnet, (by the way I am free studying physicist and I know what I am talking about).

you take a simple process and for some reason attempt complicate it needlessly, I guess to try to impress someone. Almost as though you would like to fall back to fossil fuel/oil, which no one actually needs. But has been status quo for way too many years. Thermodynamics, and resting @ zero??? Shut up! You're an ignoramus.

Magnets always have both north and south poles, UNLESS they are generated electrically (see: junior high science class). You can do this with copper and a battery. Those can be only north or only south charged magnets. Of course you require a battery to do this.

pole, including those that are 'generated electrically'.

the polarity of the magnet on the lids aren't ENTIRELY south, its just that the side of the mini magnets FACING the larger one are south...

then once that side is facing away, north meets north and they get repelled.

kinetic energy from the moving cream cheese lid turns the motor which generates electricity for the light to run on. also may i ad, a nice clean project, no CO2 produced except from breathing lol.

Also, kinetic energy has to be created by something. For example, kinetic energy can come from a person moving their hand to throw an object. The energy they used to move their hand came from their body, which is powered by food, drink, etc. All types of energy come from somewhere else. Big circle. Yay. Magnets can create kinetic energy, but they eventually become demagnetized. As I said before, this setup would require a double-north-pole magnet.

i'm probably wrong here but still, he uses his hand to spin the lid first so his kinetic energy is moving it then the magnets just keep it moving.
But if it would ever work it wouldn't look anything like the way it moves on the video. & i agree he is most likely using a power source.

The motor is less than 100% efficient, the light S**ks up power, the magnets aren't made of magic. Try this yourself, it'll immediately grind to a halt. You can't break the laws of thermodynamics, and this guy hasn't done it. Fake, fake, fake!

some people believe this? And you try to tell them it's junk but they come out with rubbish about the magnets providing the energy.

I think this video is a fake. In fact, I'm dead certain this video is a fake and I'm willing to bet real money on it. I'll take any bets ... you bet that anybody can make this experiment work - in person and observed by several people, I'll bet you can't. I'll further bet that under no external power source, the contraption doesn't even turn one full revolution. $100 each, and I'll take as many bets as I get. If you want to go for $1000, I'm game for that too. I have magnets and a motor on order from ebay, I have the tub of Philly and the light bulb. I have matches and superglue. We'll do the experiment with my stuff, and anybody who wants to put money on the table can bring their own stuff as well. We meet in a public place and any and all observers are welcome. I'll invite a local skeptics club. You can invite whoever you want. I'm betting the contraption in the video does NOT work at all. You're betting me that it does. I'll set the threshold of winning or losing at one complete revolution of the contraption under no external power, including getting the contraption going. The video above appears to show no external forces applied. Put your money down if you dare.

of course it's fake - you're talking to someone with a PhD in a scientific discipline.

What I'm referring to is the frustration I feel when utter morons come out with complete rubbish about this possibly being for real.

Have you really ordered those magnets? I guess you can make some super strong fridge magnets or something.

I just saw that I was unclear in one of my messages, whether I was betting that the invention was a fake or not. I just wanted to remove all doubt about where I stood. Glad to have a ligitimate member of the scientific community commenting here! I'm an engineer, which gives me no specific credentials but does mean that I'm a critical thinker. And yes, I really ordered a dozen N48 Neodymium magnets and a motor from ebay. The motor is as close to exactly like the one pictured in the video as possible. It looks to be exactly the same model as he shows. I'll post here when I've done the experiment and gathered the results. And I'm serious, anyone who wants to observe is welcome to watch and bring their own equipment for me to observe. No psuedoscientific BS, just real science where everyone can see.

And to answer your question ... yes, it KILLS me when people believe this kind of thing! Total, complete nonsense!

generates as much interest as this one - after all, it'll be a film of a stationary plastic lid with some expensive magnets dotted around it.

The current excitement on Metacafe about water as a fuel is especially irritating - people accept that water can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen and therefore think it is a viable source of energy - but they ignore the fact that the energy required to break it down is the same (or less in real life systems) as the energy create by burning the hydrogen in the oxygen.

Good luck with your video!

A voice of reason! These hoaxes and charlatans drive me stinking nuts! A guy I work with (technician) forwarded me one of the "water makes energy" things which showed somebody igniting water vapor which was being bombarded with microwaves ... touted as free energy. HOW MUCH ENERGY IS GOING INTO PRODUCING THOSE MICROWAVES???? Man, it is so frustrating when people can't just THINK!

at last some scientific sense, I am an amateur physicist and physical chemist beside my medical studying nowadays, and I am happy to see that scientific people answer to some of the BS written , in my opinion it is not very true, of course according to the clear laws of thermodynamics there is no perpetual energy machine although throughout time people tried to build ones, and the reason I think in principal a semi perpetual machine that works for a small period of time can be build were the energy loss from the system is very low , for example if a magnet and a wheel placed like in the video put the wheel is moved first and the magnet is repelling it with enough force , and off course it has a small friction factor it will keep going for a while before stoping , but eventually the energy will be lost in many forms as heat and soun to the surroundin media , in that tape it was clearly feak because of the light produced and the long time the wheel kept moving in a great speed, i think he connected a hidden power supply to both the lamp and the motor.

motion, however I believe your critique of this is flawed. I believe this device given the right construction would work as shown in the video. I would just like to point out I'm not an expert in this field nor do I have any relevant physics background. However your evaluation that there are no external forces applied is false. When he starts the device with the magnet he moves the magnet closer and then further away in a way creating an oscilation of kinetic energy. which done in the right frequency could cause a direct translation of kinetic energy via the magnetic bonds (same spinning a chair and applying extra force as it comes round past you). However in this case the speed at which the wheel end up spinning at causes the duration of which opposing poles have a chance to act on each other to be minimal and therefore this could concieveably cause the wheel to spin for a while given the correct conditions (see single particle in newtonian universe(obviously not to that extreme)). As with the single particle you are extracting energy from this in a multitude(heat as friction, current etc etc) of ways and it will according to the either the first or second (or both) laws of thermodynamics will come to a stop.

I just want to clarify I am in total agreement that this is not perpetual motion/energy. But I believe that the device could be made to do what it does in the video without use of an external power source (as he appears to be supplying the inital energy via kinetics.)

If this did "work" then it is the hand holding the moving magnet that is supplying the energy to overcome the friction of the motor etc..

It's a bit of a problem that the people with science backgrounds immediately know that perpetual motion cannot exist and immediately say so, but fail to notice the energy being put into the system by the experimenter.

Well spotted Jebus! Praise be to Jebus!

I don't think that anyone that watches the video clip is convinced that this is a high tech demo, but is interested in the concept, and doesn't need to be shot down for taking a closer look. The type of resistance that is shown here almost makes me suspicious to the possibility that we may be onto something here and the nay sayers are simply part of a special interest group that is trying to kill the momentum of interest in anything other than the CRAP power sources that we a currently forced to consume. Oil and the Oil Families have a great interest in keeping the world dependant on fossil fuel shi't, and I'm sick of it. This is the largest and most illegal Monopoly on this planet and should be charged to compensate for the trillions in damages and loss they have created while maintaining obscenely large fortunes at the expense of entire countries.

you must be an engineer

Think about the trick. Magnetic forces can travel through wood.

I couldn't agree more. This is going to be my kid's science fair project next year. The title will be, "Debunking Perpetual Motion Garbage".

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed.

I heard that in science class, but (just throwing it out there) - aren't we (people) just energy that's contained in a body? We're created - and some destroyed...

People (and all living creatures) are more like biological engines – the energy we run on is the food that we eat. Our food is nothing more than stored energy from the sun – plants use the sun’s energy, minerals, CO2, water, and photosynthesis to make food. Even when we eat other animals their foods are plants. The only way a new baby can be created is if the mother has enough food. The energy isn’t being created as it all comes from the sun, but the sun’s energy is transformed into a type of energy we can use. So I guess you could say that we are all solar powered.
Energy isn’t being destroyed either. Most of the energy we get from food is transformed again into heat and that heat dissipates into the universe. Eventually all the stored energy in the universe will be transformed into heat when our sun and all the stars burn out. But the energy isn’t lost it’s just spread out into the universe.

If the heat is disapaeted into space, then the heat (as energy) is gone right? Isn't that destroyed?

No, the energy isn’t gone – it’s just spread out. Think of it like this: image you have a water balloon (representing an amount of energy) sitting in the middle of a platform. The platform represent outer space so it is a HUGE platform – it goes on for hundreds of miles in every direction.
Now when energy is released in the universe as heat it moves out in all directions just like the water moves out in all directions when our water balloon it gets popped. The heat energy will eventually spread out to all corners of the universe so in this example the water from our balloon must be evenly spread out over the platform. Now since heat doesn’t evaporate like water, in this example you have to assume that our water can’t evaporate either.
Ok, eventually the water gets spread out so thin on our platform that each molecule of water is several feet apart from one another. If you watched this event happen it would look like the water just disappeared. The platform would even be dry to the touch! Did the water get destroyed? No, it was just spread out so thin that it isn’t perceptible.
The same thing happens with heat. Outer space is so huge and so cold that even when all the energy is turned into heat and spread out evenly over the universe the temperature of space won’t change by any great measure.

Perfect explanation. Thanks for posting that.

why do you eat then?

and destroyed. That's wasted energy

this guy with common sense just proved possible overunity with 10 bucks worth of engineering and he's getting insults. he's amazing.

too damn stupid

Besides the demagnetization of the magnets, there's also Newton's 3rd law. There's a force acting against the magnet he's holding, which his hand is counteracting. If he let it go, the magnets would repel and the system would stop working.

'real earth' type and simply improved versions (industrially manufactured), produce electrical current (the flow of electricity) utilizing the resistance created when moving and forcing the magnets against each other. The greater the magnetic force the greater the potential for the natural out put of energy.

...this dude has just invented a perpetual motion machine, the Holy Grail of physics that has eluded the greatest minds for centuries, using only the lid from a tub of cheese and some high-end fridge magnets - and the only bloody thing you care about is that the camera is a bit wobbly?

You crack me up, you really do.

I seen something like this before. I wanted to make a suggestion on how to improve the video.

...it would be easier to see where he's faking it.

Post more idea man. Like totally man. We want to see more idea.

...like, zf7 is totally funny man. I mean, good idea on the funny man.

I'm not sure if this would be as successful if it was made on a large scale. You would need some very strong magnets! It would be neat though. :)

with big enough magnets you could power the whole world and the universe.

Perhaps if he used speaker magnets he could power the whole universe? Maybe Sony ones?

Its really cool idea

i think an inventor in austrailia has already build a 24kw generator

...a FIVE GAZILLION MEGA-WEGA-WEGA-WATT one that could power the whole planet (and then a bit extra) for free, because after all, it's just a question of using enough Philadelphia lids and enough magnets?

Why settle for a measly 24 megagigapetawatts?

The inventor you speak of has CLAIMED to make a 24kW generator but refused to let anyone look at it. This is the classic story of perpetual motion machines, free energy schemes, greater than 100% efficiency etc. Some guy proposes a free energy machine, inevitibly using magnets (which non scientificly literate people assume have almost magical properties of energy creation ... they don't), publishes a bunch of false or misleading data and starts trying to get investors to sign up for this once in a lifetime opportunity to get wealthy beyond anyone's fantasies. The minute a real scientist or skeptic asks to have a look at the machine, the keys to the lab are lost, phone calls aren't returned, etc. Push this poster to reproduce his results in front of a reliable skeptic and his claims will dry up just like this.

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If we could find a way for example to use the excess energy from buttering toast to somehow power the toaster, or the energy from stirring a cup of tea to power the kettle, this would surely be a major leap forward for mankind?

The only thing is, using the toast example, you only come to butter the toast once the energy to cook it has been expended - therefore we would have to find some way of moving the energy back in space and time or alternatively develop a buttery spread product that could be applied to the butter in advance of toasting the bread.

I'm going to give this some more thought as it's a little bit half-baked (or half-toasted) at the moment.

I'll keep you toasted - I mean posted.

Don't put the butter before the toast... What you gotta realize is the butter IS the toast man! Once it's in your stomach that is.
You can't outflake me I'm the flakiest. Check out my videos if you don't believe me!

One very large project. That's a good idea though!

Please be sure to post the video, filmed with the camera bought using the money you saved from your reduced heating and lighting bills.

Did you reproduce these results? I, for one, would like to see somebody else demonstrate this. I may rig this up myself and show what I find on Metacafe.

Everyone should go wikipedia perpetual motion real quick. It has some relatively reputably cited references to magnet usage in perpetual motion. If this were as revolutionary a concept as everyone seems to think it is, it'd be in use on a Honda or something.

ahem....say no more.

I say relatively reputable because they are not official sources. However, those cited references on wikipedia.com have used their own official sources to draw their material. Whether or not it's written by some university professor or not, the laws of thermodynamics can only be stated one way. Just read the wiki, and don't try to hide behind the "but wikipedia can't be cited for my school papers" excuse.

For the comment! :)

people need to try it first. then remember the direction can be changed easily to keep longer life on the magnets.

cheaper than batteries

It's a lid from a cheese spread tub.

If this were real, it would overturn virtually everything we think we know about physics.

Show me the video of your accepting the Nobel Prize, and I'll believe.

On second thought, you'd fake that, too.

I bet it would

for the support GreenPro!

For the comment! :)

reminds me of the question - if two hillbillies get married are they still brother and sister - I suspect he may have the answer for that one as well.

i like your style, brilliant thought. keep them honest mate.

People have been trying to make a motor like this for years. Its not possible. If he has actually succeeded in this he needs to patent it and he will be richer than Bill Gates!

ok u myb right but then explane where is the battery?? i want to c a picture of the battery from this movie

it could be in the motor itself. Look at the video again and watch how he messes with the wires before he makes it spin.

1st if theres 1 thing i no its motors there cant b a battery inside and he shows the wires the hole time i bet if kipkay did this al the comments about it being fake wouldn't b there

... but it's obviously a fake. Don't believe me? Stay tuned and I'll reproduce the experiment. I have magnets (Neodymium N48 - strongest on the market) on order from ebay. I know this video looks real, but I'm betting that Philly lid doesn't even make one full rotation.

easy buddy!
youll be ok :)

sorry. You're right.

what happens when you push two magnets together when their positive sides are facing?....they repel each other right?

the lid turns in the same way.....as each small magnet passes by the large magnet it is pushed away, causing the wheel to rotate.

large scale electricity is generated by rotating a huge magnet inside a coil of wire, this is what is happening inside the motor, the electricity generated is sent to the bulb, which in turn lights up


pretty simple

to swing into line on the wheel would repel in the other direction and stop the wheel. Accept that perpretual motion can't work. Eventually, even the universe will run down.

I was going to book up a holiday for October - should I bring it forward?

Oh, wait, that's when the world will end. The universe will actually end July 15, 2,945,316,768,043.

which makes the wheel spin

it isnt directly in front but it is held at an angle.......... what would happen if you put some little fins on the side of the lid and blew it head on at a square angle...absolutely nothing because the same amount of wind would be blown down either side......now consider what would happen if you blew it at the same angle the magnet is held on

now i know wind and magnets are two completely different things, but if you look closelly it is pretty much the same thing. the magnet in the guys hand held at that angle gets more "contact" with one side of the magnets on the lid than the other...if he held the magnet straight on then the force would be equal and the thing would eventually grind to a halt...

hope thats easy enough to understand :)

there's no battery, it will work...for a while. The magnets will eventually lose their strength and the thing will stop. Don't you think anyone else has thought of using the opposing forces of magnets to make things turn?

second. When the magnet in the hand attracts one of the magnets in the wheel, it would swing into place where it is closest and stop. If it tries to turn further, to bring another magnet into play, the closest magnet just holds the wheel in place. There is no mechanism available to keep the wheel turning. The magnets don't lose power, they just hold in the closest position.

would. Magnets have two poles, a positive and a negative. As lond as you present the same poles (+ +) or (- -) to eafch other the magnets willl repel each other causing the wheel to turn. The caveat to all this is that the magnets will want to naturally flip around and attract to each other. The glue on the plastic lid has to be strong enough to prevent that form happening.

It would work if you were using a pulsed electromagnet outside the wheel. Of course, a pulsed electromagnet requires energy, and the energy output of the moving wheel would be less than the energy put into the system by the electromagnet. This is the principle of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Don't believe me? I just bought all of the materials listed in the video on ebay and I'll post the results of the experiment (which anyone here is welcome to observe in person) on Metacafe.

I think he removed all comments that say the same thing, the people are not stupid you're just seeing one opinion.

You're reading everyone's opinion. I've only deleted one post and that was when name calling started. Just wanted you to know.

If that's true, I apologise sincerely

I think this is for real - I've tried it and it works.

with a name, 'absofsteeone' that looks like a counterfeit of a real person's handle. You must be proud. Unfortunately, your misuse of grammar gives you away, showing you have an IQ in the double-digits.

Is it my use of a spaced-hyphen when I should have used an Em Dash clause?

Listen pal, grammar aside, I don't appreciate your going around on this site impersonating me.

Can you please desist?!

just cos u cnt do it xD 5* idc if it's fake tbh =D

for the comment FZ

Thanks

I'm pretty sure that's me in the vid, I would have to disagree with you that I stole this vid. :)