Bjj Vs. Black Belt Karate Shotokan Instructor

I bet my life this fight had restrictions, notice the open hand punch as a example/

they both threw punches with closed fists on the ground... maybe the open handed thing was a... umm.. a F**king KARATE chop. bjj has been tested against all the best striking arts and there is a reason proffesional strikers learn jiu jitsu.

"maybe the open handed thing was a...umm...a funking KARATE chop"

priceless comment!

didn't work.

Nothing I enjoy more than seeing a shotokan man getting his arse pounded. This guy seems to enjoy pain, as he walks straight into the bjj guy, then allows him to sit on him and punch him. I'm screaming at the screen "elbow him in the balls you tit!"

if you he had punched it would ahve worth nothing cuz we(BJJ fighters) use suspensor.

what a bitch made move, I bet you have skill.

Yeah, unless you're actually fighting.. Striking is going to lose pretty much for sure. Because the rules, unfortunately for strikers, remove most of their most valuable tools, and leave most of the tools available for a grappler in play.

If you really wanted to see "who would win!?" you'd have to hold tournaments with pretty much no rules, which would mean no gloves, small joint locks, and breaking limbs would be okay. Try punching yourself once in the cheek with mild strength with a glove, and then with your bare hand.

But it makes sense, because I don't think anyone wants to enter a tournament where the other guy is going to be breaking your arms and legs, or your skull.

I know I sure wouldn't =)

If you can get ahold of the first 4 UFC tournaments. The only restrictions were eye gouging and biting. You could hit to ANYWHERE else including the nuts and throat. There were no gloves and no rounds.clawing pinching pressure points were still allowed. you could also hold the cage for leverage. BJJ still one 2 or 3 of those first four.

*won

give favor to a grappler? In most MMA now it is favoring strikers since they are more and more often standing fighters up when there isn't enough action, when the grappler is in a dominate position.
BJJ was tested in NHB (No Hold Barred) fighting in Brazil for decades before it came to the U.S.

first of all you've never been hit with those 4oz pro mma gloves.

were created so that fighters don't break your hand, but still do as much damage.

Whoever gave that guy a black belt probably also asked him if he wanted paper or plastic with that. If you're up against a grappler you don't just run at him with all your weight on your tippy toes.
So now I know what not to do.

BJJ is very affective i have 2 friends that do it and one is a purple belt and he could beat me so bad even if i tried my hardest karate is mainly defencive but BJJ if you get in hand to hand combat with someone thats good at it boy you better be ready for a good beatin.

ive taken tai-chi 3 years now, and found it to be very very very usefull in fights, i street fight a lot and mainly use that but with the tia chi training, it makes it almost impossible for people to trip/ grapple me, i havent lost a fight in 1 1/2 years, but am afraid to post my vids

about fighting untrained people. Fight someone who is trained in BJJ and then post the video if you think your Tia Chi is so good.

watch ufc, the strikers have done everything to the bjj guys. there is no such thing as the end all be all move. strikers can beat bjj, wrestling can beat strikers, bjj can beat wrestling. you need to know it all, mixed martial arts is the product of strict disiplins being beaten by unorthadox and mixed styles. if you only train in standup, a ground guy will controll you too well, if you only train bjj, you don't know how to avoid the punches and kicks good enough to close the distance. for your own good (so you don't look foolish) don't copmment on things like this, I don't comment on power rangers, do I?

Grapplers look for limbs that can use to throw their opponent of balance and get them to the mat. If you kept throwing the same type of kicks you would end up getting your leg snatched and end up on the mat. Your kickboxing is right out the window then. Prepare to get your face tourmented by elbows or some ligements broken per chance?

if kicks aren't allowed and no closed punches, hell, what !can! karate do! besides, the biting worked, that bjj dude was twisting like a ell

As you can see The BJJ guy came in with a few punches changed his level and took him down. You can't throw a side kick when you're in punching range... you have to find a balance between good tall posture good for Muay Thai and striking and a good low level good for wrestling. Personally I don't feel a side kick gives me the balance I need to pull back my leg from a grab attempt. This is why we use a teep. If they do grab our teep at full force we having a fighting chance of pulling it back. I am sure kicks are allowed but this karate guy probably fought in shotokan matches. They are rough... but I never really see any good footwork on them and the fights always seem very binary.

Sorry thought this was the gracie vs shotokon guy. This guy got taken down because he didn't use any sort of jab or nothing. The BJJ guy closed the distance (with no small help from the shotokan guy) making his strikes useless...

Sorry touches of death dont really exist man. Bjj is the most effective martial arts in the world. Point and case I went up against a black belt in Tae Kwan Do, the guy had 25 pounds on me, and I had been training for 3 months... I choked him out. Karate Tae Kwan Do, there only stylish, not effective. Which is why there not in MMA.

but tae kwon do is more for excersize than for fighting... didn't you watch final fu on mtv? by the way, i am not against tkd, one of the guys who first taught me bjj was a black belt in it... he like it for the flexibility it gave his hips. But it is designed to make you more of an athlete than an actuall combatant. no offense to the life long tkd guys... you can make fun of me for training in Shaolin northern eagle claw kung-fu when I was young and reckless. (blushing)

I live in southern california, and I get off house arrest in early july. I fight at 170 pounds, and I am 25 years old. I will fight you no matter how much you weigh. I'll even fly out to your karate school or what ever. any rules you want, any way you want. I'll even use just bjj, no punches or kicks... you can do anything you want, like your magic back of the head death punches. but seriously, get back to me and we'll make a video to post on this site. it will be proof of one arts supiriority over anothers.

whats the matter, you only talk S**t to people in videos who don't get to say anything back?

the thing about that is, your uncle is a better fighter than you because he trains often, not because of a supirior art. The bjj guy trains everyday, every single day. So how would your uncle do against another black belt? if your answer is a one punch victory... you need to stop watching crouching tiger hidden dragon and realize that no one alive can beat everyone with a single move because they have a black belt. sure you could get lucky and hit a guys throat, but if you know how to fight, you keep your chin down and your head moving.

Yeah you do that buddy. See if you can try to get his adams apple. Geez you ppl are so dumb. My gf has a black belt in karate. Its not that hard. Karate is a useless fighting method. And his little karate chops wont hurt the grappler. Thats the point. What happens when you chop and it doesnt hurt the guy? then what do you do? i guess you get your ass whooped.

Hey guys first in a fight weight and personal skills do matter. I am trained in Shaolin Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Du adn Kick Boxing. Do you guys know that Shotokan style is a non contact one?lol.... I would never let anyone catch me. If anyone tries to charge towards me. Have you guys hard of jumping, evading and Hammer kicks? know what is knee hit? this is pathetic man. Know u r stuff first.. Do not let anyone come near you. And 4 u man heard of weak points? If my chops do not work I will hit him in his weak points. there are certain points in your chest, face, shoulder that you can easily hit without power.. comeon be real,, get some air man....

Gotten into a street fight with a BJJ, wrestler, or even a judo practioner? Evading is not as easy as you think it is.

I know!! this guy was clearly retarded or somthing, i could have knocked that guys adams apple out if i knew he would slam my head into wall

when you fight other black belts in karate class, do you kill them with one punch or is it a little harder to move in on them than it is to move around someone whos never trained? you need to think before you speak, they are both trained fighters, the bjj guy just controlled the fight because the other dude had no ground game.

Dont stand up against BJJ for nothing. I;ve been taking BJJ for three years now and went to my friends kempo karate class and took down their "best" guys and the instructor in no time. That gee doesnt help you in a real fight either. Karate is a useless and pathetic way of fighting compaired to BJJ.

My dear friend
Pathetic are you. I've judo and Kyokushin black belt also. Do you wanna trie me? And I d'ont need use Judo to put you down. So, before you open your mouth just think before. Have a nice day and grow up!
OSU!

he's talking about karate, all the good judo schools also study grappling. When you wrestle on the ground, it prepares you for the type of combat Ben790 is talking about. And by the way... a black belt means you payed for a certain amount of classes. If you are really good, you get honorary black belts and get to go to classes for free.

don't be such a C**k S**ker .

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the attack he used is not taught in judo, at least as far as i know.

arm bars, knee bars, ankle locks, key locks and many more of the same things bjj has, there is no art that has things other arts dont. thats what mma is all about, find what works for you but also know what works for others and how to avoid those things... you cant block a knee if you cant throw one, you wont see it coming.

I have a bb in karate, and have doing BJJ for 8 years now, and trust me you can take someone with the weakest heart and train him in karate for 10 years or in comparison take that same kid a train him in bJJ for 1 year and you'll see if the person makes the difference. It wont. Brazilian JJ simply works. Add your style of stand up and you have your best chances of walking away from a street fight.

I don't completely agree with that. I've met a guy who trained gracie jiu jitsu for a year... Itrained Alan Goes JJ for a month and I believe that my previous experience with traditional martial arts (and wrestling) helped me defeat him. BJJ is a must, but its MMA that brings everything together and makes you the complete champion that you need to be.

man you are right.. I have always fought in open to all tournament. Its always the personal skill that wins.. fighter wins not style.. these guys do not know what they are talking about

there is also the factor of natural athletisism, choachability and sparring. most karate schools are so behind on the sparring concept its disgusting. I can almost gaurentee that the karate masters you are talking about spar at least 5 days a week. Boxing, kick boxing, and vale tudo schools spar every class typically upwards of 85 percent of full power, so it prepares you better for an aggresive attack. Of all the people posting messages, yours is very refreshing, you are very cool for not claiming anything and I would like to thank you for your honesty. Thanks.

lol. Seriously... did you ever SEE any of the first UFC's? The guys they had in there from kartatee to Kung Fu weren't slouches in their art. They even had a former heavyweight kickboxing champion in there and he got owned by BJJ.
Everyone was getting owned like bitches till everyone started learning wrestling and BJJ. That's why a well rounded fighter will learn BOTH.

I'd love to cross train with an aggresive art, please get back to me with a school name or gym location. Thanks.

perfected in the tomato fields of america.

That's it, i'm taking Mexican Judo lessons....Judo know if i have knife...judo know if i have gun....judo know if i have a bomb...lol

mexican can't even make to UFC dude.

Where do you think Tito Ortiz is From Numb Nuts!

California....... Southern CA... Born and raised, not Mexico.... He is not all spic either... only half wetback.

Tito Ortiz was born in Huntington Beach, California, on January 23, 1975. He is thirty-one years old.

we got a fan here!

theres a few latin names in the UFC. race has nothing to do with fighting.

ive never heard of one?

brazilian blowjob

before!

BJJ is short hand for Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

Mexicans were too lazy to fight ?

hmmm... havent ever seen that style in UFC before.
Course, any idiot can pull a gun or stab someone. If that's what you're talking about, then yeah.

ever heard of that guy from IFL who knocked out an armed robber and took his gun away? theres no better weapon than a weapon you always have!

go to a BJJ school in your area and try a class out, they will usually let you in on one for free. it will change your life.

Don't suppose you noticed the arm lock with the arm bent back in a way it isn't supposed to? Trust me. Jiu-Jitsu is very skill intensive... it just doesn't look like a Jacki Chan movie nor does it look like WWF. While it may look in-effective, it changed the world of martial arts in the UFC.

BJJ gets schooled when it comes to multiple attacks, when your trying to put an arm bar or rear naked choke on someone the other guy is going to stomp the crap out of your head.

you do the armbar fast and hard, takes just a second, then you're fighting one less guy.

black belts are better just get a younger guy not a 50 year old

Watch some of the first UFC's then... same result.

you can always find a more athletic guy, on both sides... look up BJJ vs. on google... you will find a wide variety of opponents.

write some inflammatory crap and i'm sure you will!

when was the last time you faught multiple opponents?? Really.. we want to know!
if you were smart .. you woudn't have to fight at all.!
Heh.. last time i got into a fight i broke the guys nose, and he pressed charges !! Now a days is a law suit or the other person has a knife or a gun!
F**k that ..!! I rather go home alive to my wife and kids!

your right this ain't the wild west. these days the pen is mightier than the sword

but you have a wife and child, why bother punching the guy? You would've been not much use to your family if that charge stuck and you spent some time inside. If you're going to write the comment 'smart' and impress that tag to yourself, don't write such nonsense.

More than 1 opponent... thats what they make guns for isn't it?

LOLZ I KNO RITZ HAO COME THEZE IDIOTZ BE ALL LIKE LEARNING THIS S**t WHEN THEREES OTHA S**t THEY COULD LEARN dATS BETTER YO.

you stupid jerk, no one can fight off multiple opponents. Unless they come at him one at a time, as portrayed realistically in many martial arts movies.

no1 can fight multiple opponents hey? are you one of those guys that watchs martial arts but has never done any?
if you wer a martial artist you would know that any1 can take on multiple opponents, but you need quick reactions, strong enuff hits to stun the opponent, and knowledge of what tecniques work, ive beaten 3 guys at a time, and 1 of them was using a boxing stance -.-

multiple opponents tend to be even easier than 1, because its natural for people to think that a group of people is invincible, so they fight very sloppy

it depends on who you fight. there is no one answer, and if you beleive there is... I'm sorry!

you mistake me for someone who gives a S**t about your opinion on mine! and what the hell are you saying above in the caps, maybe you were hit on the head by multiple guys.

its an isrieli fighting system and if you look up their training videos, multiple attackers is a big part of their training. also BJJ can be used to controll a standing opponent like a muiy tai clinch and you can use him as a shield between yourself and the other attackers. it would be used more to gain distance to run off rather than to defeat more than 2 people, but no art can train someone to stop 6 guys who are intent on stomping you out.

if you're fighting multiople opponents, they are weak and insecure. why would a skilled fighter need friends to help him? a lot of BJJ moves can be done standing or against a wall. And anyone fighting multiple opponents is going to have a rough time, you head may get kicked a few times during an armbar, but you squirm and move... you might get a black eye, but at least your elbow isn't bending the wrong way!

karate looks to be useless against one opponent

maybe the karate guy was just too slow, or not strong enough.

Where are the other rounds? The karate guy got beat, but he wasn't expecting it. Also if it's not full contact, the karate guy has limitations, he can't for example kick him in the head. Whereas the JJ guy has no limitations as his style is based on wrestling.

would not restrict his opponent, look up BJJ vs. on google.

j/k... Be proud of your art. But don't be biased towards others.

There are many strikers who have railroaded BJJ guys. my fave is flying knees!

yeah, but that's Chuck Norris.

no martial art is a waste of time.

its kickboxing and san shou or whatever that is. you know kickboxing with takedowns but no ground fighting and the champs name is cung lee?

whats your name? where do you fight? oh thats right, no one will ever hear of your amazing fight skills because you are too good to train at a school. and you're so clever to look up a basic takedown defense on google and pretend that you have actually used it on somebody. If you were a fighter the whole game would come to you naturally. maybe you can throw knees... but that is such a small part. its like if you didnt play with your dads balls, you would only be S**king his dick.

Where are the BJJ reflexes? On the takedown? You don't use reflexes on the takedown. As for the armbar, it was a very smooth bjj transition with no problems at all. The karate guy of course didn't know that to block a takedown like that you have to quickly step back and lean forward at the same time, and to block the armbar he had to hug the bjj guy close to his chest until he manage to flip over. Karate pretty much S**ks at street fighting like these.

you dont need reflexes to move in on an opponent whos striking at you? wow. I'll stop working out right now if I dont need reflexes. and hey, F**k speed and athletisism too!

UHUUUUUUUUUUU

to be effective against multiple opponents is trying to increase its number of students. against multiple attackers you need to get away and then go after them individually on another day.

so you can take the persons gun home with you and sell it to someone who really needs it.