9/11 Remembered [13+]

My compliments on a balanced video expressive of the grief felt by America at the sad loss of innocent lives at the World Trade Centre. Many of the contributors seem to think I support this atrocity - I do not. Unfortunately your video has attracted extremists to spread hate of Islam, and these extremists are no better than the terrorists. For this reason I have posted many times to rebut the lies with truth. While extremists on both sides rant innocent lives are being lost due to IGNORANCE, and this just heats up the rhetoric. Anyway, you are not at fault in this, and I congratulate you on a well-made video.

Thank you. I am in total agreement. There seems to be a lot of ignorance out there and extremism on any side is never right. I firmly believe that there is room for people of all faiths to develop an appreciation and understanding of each other. If this video helps relieve people of their ignorance through debate then I am all for it. It is distressing to see some of the beliefs expressed here but such is the reality. Hate can only be combated by knowledge, compassion, and understanding.

It's dickheads like you spouting this nonsense that is the root cause of the terrorist problem. No-one wants to take over the USA, who would want to be in charge of greedy ignorant spoilt kids? When did Iraq, Vietnam or Afghanistan ever invade USA? True muslims (and I mean true muslims, not the Saudi and Pakistani Wahabist lot who attacked the world Trade centre) are required to be tolerant of Christians and Jews. Don't confuse GW Bush with true Christians either. Stop whipping up hatred.

Unbelievably ignorant.

Go read their own books and their own teachings.

Take off the rose colored glasses, and quit denying what is happening right in front of your face.

I challenge you to go to ANY Muslim nation and demand the Right to exercise your Christian beliefs and see how far that gets you.

As opposed to the USA where we bend over backwards to ensure we don't offend the sensibilities of any of those who practice the "Religion of Peace".

The most dangerous enemy in the world is the one who approaches you with his hand extended in peace.

Yes, chuppacabra, I have read the books, many times, and what's more I have understood them, which you (if you ever bothered to read them) have evidently not. I have read the Koran and the Hadith many times. The Holy Koran specifically instructs Muslims to tolerate the beliefs of Christians and Jews, and also instructs Muslims to take notice of the Scriptures meaning the Torah and the Bible. Before the Crusades Muslims, Christians and Jews were living side-by-side in Palestine. The Holy Wars were started by the corrupt Roman church.
We should not judge all Muslims by the actions of a few Wahabists just as we should not judge Christians by the actions of the Roman Catholic church and the Inquisition. The current terrorism is not aimed at Christians it is aimed at American support for Zionism.
I am amused that you call me ignorant - coming from YOU of all people. Ho ho ho!!

So I suppose we'll just ignore historical reality - not to mention recent acts just to make sure reality fits what you want it to be.

Here's a little hint for you: You may have read a book or two, but apparantly your Muslim Brothers must have been reading something else. Islam was forged in blood by Muhammed hinself (Yes, by all means, PLEASE try and deny this historical fact) and continues today.

And as for your silly comment about the Crusades, you evidently forget the first one was started in response to your peaceful brethren murdering Western European Christians on pilgramage to the Holy Land.

You guys always seem to forget that, huh?

Inconvenient, I know.

You get all the stars. But you won't convince these idiots. They are on a mission of stupidity and hate, and it will never end.

The ignorance is yours, so I assume you are American. You spout such nonsense because you know nothing about the rest of the world. I do live in a muslim country and in my town there are 3 churches. The only muslim country that I know forbids Christianity is Saudi Arabia. There are active Christians in UAE, Oman, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt to my personal experience, so keep your mouth shut if you can't tell the truth. Saudi Arabia is a great "friend" of America, isn't it? The guys who flew the planes at 9/11 were nearly all Saudis, weren't they?
So keep your mouth shut you ignorant idiot, and if you must talk as if you know something CHECK YOUR FACTS goatsucker.

Can't take a little bit of reality? Is that why Christian Missionaries are murdered in certain African Countries? How about this....go open a synagogue or cathedral in Iran. Lets see how popular you are. Or better yet, let's you and I go book a trip to Mecca together. We'll have so much fun enjoying Muslim culture and tradition together.

No my friend, none of these things is possible. And by the way, you reveal your own ignorance and bigotry with your very un-muslim-like name calling and childish retorts.

Most likely, you're a pimple-faced teenage Westerner who thinks its "cool" to go against the establishment.

Well let me tell you something. Americans have elected a man we believe will give a less hedonistic approach to the rest of the world. The Muslims will see this as a sign of weakness - since such stupidity and arrogance has been bred into them for 1500 years - and they will attack the US again.

And this time, the response from the US will be apocalyptic. Mark my words.

The massacre of pilgrims was a lie, it was the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" of the day. Christians and Jews were living together in Jerusalem in peace. The Pope wanted to take over the Eastern Orthodox Church abd invented the story. There are so many books ans eye witness accounts. Check the Internet, Runciman, Astbridge, Riley-Smith. CHECK YOUR FACTS LIKE I DO.

Give the number, the names and the countries involved in murdering missionaries. Check the US Department of State report on Religious Freedom for 2008. Everything you have said about Iran, Pakistan, Libya, sudan and Ethiopia is a lie, or the US government is conspiring with Muslim radicals? But then - you don't like facts do you?

There are 300,00 Christians in Iran. There are two cathedrals in Teheran alone. You are SO IGNORANT, yet you keep spouting your nonsense. The only country in the world that forbids Christian worship is Saudi Arabia, and I don't think there are any mosques in the Vatican

This is to chuppacabra.

You are such an ignoramus, yet you talk of historical reality which you appear to make up as you go along (like many, but thankfully not all, Americans). Forget the trip to Mecca, I have already said Saudi Arabia is the ONLY muslim nation I know of that is intolerant, but they are wahabists. (A bit like comparing opus dei with baptists)
The historical reality you are not aware of is

- No Christian pilgrims are recorded as having been murdered before the first crusade.
- The Koran specifically requires muslims to read the scriptures and tolerate Jews and Christians.
- Jesus is the greatest prophet of Islam.
- Mary, mother of Jesus, is the only woman mentioned in the Koran and she is venerated.
Muslims rever Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jonah, Enoch, Elijah and the Archangel Gabriel, but of course, in your ignorance you wouldn't know that.
I am proud to call the muslims I live and work with every day my brothers. There has never been one day that I felt threatened in about 15 years of living, working and socialising with them. Fortunately I have the real experience of real muslims, unlike redneck Americans. So file your prejudices along with your ignorance, they should fill as much space as you have got in your bitter shrivelled brain.
Just as real Christians do not want to be associated with GWBush, do not associate muslims with the lunatic fringe. Stop whipping up hatred based on IGNORANCE. The problem with the ignorant is that they do not know they are ignorant.

Is to Patrusha. Are you really this daft? You've never heard of Iran? Pakistan? Libya? The Sudan? Ethiopia? OMFG....I can go on forever. You IDIOTS demand your right to religious freedom in every westernized country, yet you deny these exact same freedoms in your own! And then you have the unmitigated gall to claim you are being oppressed by us???!!!

And you historical knowledge is so remarkably flawed as to almost be comical.

Do you even know what the first Papal directive for teh Templars was? The protection of Christian Pilgrimsl......from our brother practitioners of teh religion of Peace....MUSLIMS.
Muhammed is the greatest prophet in Islam.
As for Moses et. al. well this is the first thing you've gotten correct about Islam.

Straight from the Koran:
Sura 4:89
"They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."

Likewise, sura 9:5
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters (Christians) wherever you find them, and take them captives and beseige them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate [jizya - a tax which still exists in nearly every Muslim state you've mentioned for the sin of being a Christian in their "tolerant" country], leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

As opposed to the teachings of Christ, who admonishes us to, "turn the other cheek."

Your ignorance of anything close to reality, history, or current events is absolutely stupefying.

But go ahead and make an even bigger ass out of yourself. I'm happy to quote chapter and verse out of the "Holy Koran" where the followers of Islam are extolled to commit acts of barbarism upon non-believers.

PS - you don't know crap about George Bush or his belief system, so you make yourself look even more silly with your childish assumptions.

What Country are you from? I wonder if I can charge them for the time I'm spending educating you?

The following are Islamic tolerant comments about Jews and Christians.
Read Surah 2.62 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear in them, nor shall they grieve."
Surah 2.256 "There is no compulsion in religion, truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is hearing and Knowing"
There is a common American (Stated by GWBush) impression that Allah is not the same as Jehova. This is not true, Allah and Jehovah are names given to the God of Abraham.

He doesn't clearly believe in anything. He is a moron (sorry to all other morons)

I am going to answer every untruth you have posted. I have said 'untruth' because you are obviously ignorant and may even believe the stupid things you say.
Firstly, JIZYA. You are TOTALLY IGNORANT. Try checking your "facts" before spreading them as truth.
Jizya is actually a sign of Muslim tolerance, instituted in a time when Christians were burning anyone who questioned the priesthood. It is a feature of Muslim communities that believers pat ZAKAT. This is a religious tax to be used for Muslim purposes such as mosque upkeep and charities. An equivalent tax (jizya) was instituted for non-believers. The zakat and jizya were kept separate, as it was considered unjust to spend jizya (collected from Christians, Jews, Sikhs and Zoroastrians) on the welfare of Muslims, and vice-versa. Payment of Jizya exempted The 'dhimmis' from military duty and allowed the 'dhimmis' to practice their own religion in peace and guaranteed autonomy, personal safety and security of property.
Jizya was abolished in the nineteenth century, except in Morrocco where it was abolished in 1907.
I have discussed this with my friends and colleagues, and we have accumulated more than 2000 man years of residence and working in Muslim countires. We have never paid jizya AS IT DOES NOT EXIST.
If you can find ONE instance of anyone paying this tax (with proof), I will apologise.
Will you apologise if you can't?

You quotations do not apply to Christians. To a Moslem Jews and Christians are NOT IDOLATORS. You know NOTHING

There are 900,000 Anglicans (Christians to you) in Pakistan, and the national constitution forbids discrimination by institutions or persons. There are many churches. Posters of Jesus, Mary and the Trinity are often displayed in public.

There are 45million practising Christians in Ethiopia you clown (Verified by US state Department).

fool! Way to go, idiot.

Three little pigs would certainly show more intelligence and moral fibre than the current clown and his friend chuppacabra.

Its so anti-Liberal to call a spade a spade, isn't it?

That's OK.

Make sure your dad knows your BMW payment is due Monday, and your Frat house is putting on a fund raiser to erect a memorial to Nancy Pelosi.

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

yes

Your very welcome

teenager

YOU brought up Islam. Now that you have, you must feel guilty because it was Muslim terrorists that did this horrible thing. They will all burn for eternity. the only intrusion that the free western world makes into other countries is the offering of freedom. Unfortunately, most third world countries don't know how to accept it, because they don't understand it.

No-one wants to be "given freedom" by America. America is currently despised by nearly everyone, and this is not fair. Most Americans are decent people, and we wish you well it is idiots like Chuppacabra and Sharon Bone who deliberately whip up a distorted view of reality. Everything they say can be proven to be nonsense, but until you fight back they try to steamroller their lies onto the world. WELL,IT ISN'T WORKING. Anyway, arrogant idiots, we are not envious of you - you are beneath contempt. You are directly equivalent to Islamic extremists, you distort Scripture for you own uses and try to whip up hatred because of a few crazies on each side. The muslims use terrorism because muslim people and their governments (apart from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) do n ot support inter-faith violence. Unfortunately in USA terrorists are the government

surely you do not belive what you wrote, you are fucked

Yes there are good Muslims, like yourself, but they refuse to condemn the actions of bad Muslims, just because they are Muslim. Until you learn to recognize this failure in your world, you will never be a free soul.

If you would stop yakking, and listen - most of the Muslim contributors have condemned terrorism. It is only you and the goatsucker who are trying to whip up hatred, but all you are contributing is IGNORANCE. You know tha 33% of Americans can't find USA on a world map? Can you find your arse with both hands?

Sharon the Bone-Head. You are making a fool out of yourself here. I think you should start watching International news instead of local (if u bother to watch news).
For your information, hundreds of muslims dying every day because of these extremist, suicidal so-called muslims bombers. YES they (muslims) condemn these fanatics…! Wake up….!

You are wasting your time on closed minds and ignorance. Generally what you say is correct.

is your problem, Jilanus. You watch the "news" and think you are getting the truth. You think BBC gives you the truth? CNN world? Any of tyhem?

El. one thing I can assure you that I personally do not trust american media at all. They are nothing but bunch of well known liars. They have twisted all americans so much that no one is going to believe real events just because they do not broadcast them.
When I say International News in general I mean not any specific news channel. By the way more or less at least BBC is known for its reliable news. Where I live is quite broad community of diverse people of many nationalities. No media or newspaper knows better than them as most of them are eye witness and victims of fanatic extremists as well as US intrusion. These muslims never had suicide bombing in their muslim home towns. But since US and its allies intrusion they have become victims from both sides. Local people are not only murdered by these extreme “so-called” muslim morons but also killed by US troops and their bombs!

Some sort of Palestinian Media Relations pawn?

The BBC has got to be one of the worst offenders for Liberal One World Order Mind Dump.

And by the way, my Friend.....you don't see Israeli's sending their children into groups of Muslims with C4 explosives strapped to their innocent little bodies. As a matter of fact, you don't see any Western people at all committing such a heinous and barbarous act.

No, thats something only our Muslim, Religion of Peace friends can lay claim to.

You're all terrorists. You can't erase the truth.

El: You are not listening, are you? You are being stereotyped here mate. Be open minded my friend. You just can’t say all muslim are terrorist just because only 1% share the same extreme thoughts. You should look into internal tv/film media of muslim countries. They are in fact very tolerant and modernised in a sense that they don’t give a damn about religious extreme. I have been to many muslim countries and found that they are just normal like us. I just wanted to let you know that this is wrong to make an assumption that all muslims are extremist, that’s all.
If you are intelligent enough then you will agree with me that all religions in the world are extreme at some point whether it’s jew, christian, muslim or hindu or any other religion. This is us that make it tolerant and peaceful.
By the way I haven’t told you my religion here. I don’t understand why you called me a muslim, like you said earlier “You’re all terrorist”???

Go Jilanis,
Only the truth will hurt in the long run.
Chuppacabra thinks everyone is opposed to him and he is the sole posessor of the truth. Unfortunately he doesn't know ANYTHING. He makes it all up and then pretends it's true. The fact is that so-called 'Christians' have killed hundreds of times more Muslims than Muslims have killed Christians. They have done it in a cowardly way by remotely controlled bombs and missiles and call it"collateral damage" (which makes it the victim's fault). Of course using "double speak" Chuppacabra extols "turn the other cheek" as a Christian virtue (although Jesus is also a Moslem prophet) and the calls for bloody revenge against innocent people.

DID FATHER ABRAHAM EVER HAVE A ILLEGITIMATE SON ? WHAT WAS HIS NAME? WHAT IS THE NAME THAT ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN CALLED ? COULD IT BE B. A. S. T. A. R. D. WHY DONT' YOU GO LIVE IN A MOSLEM COUNTRY IF YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH ?

I do live in a Moslem country. I am not a Muslim myself, but I have encountered no hostility despite being a well-known Christian.
I am surprised to hear from a self-proclaimed expert on religion who knows NOTHING about the religions he attacks.
JESUS IS A MAJOR PROPHET OF ISLAM and is proclaimed as such in the Koran, where he is described as a specially favoured high prophet created and blessed by God with special powers of miracle working, something never claimed for Mohammed.
For a self - professed Biblical scholar it is amazing that you cannot spell PROPHET correctly, neither can you spell Muslim properly. Do you expect your semi-literate rant to be taken seriously?
I am not anti-American, but I am against the large number of ignorant hate comments coming from Americans. Grow up! (for God's sake). College degrees! Huh, is that your best shot? Laughable. Shall I boast about mine?
Jesus was not from Nazareth - it didn't exist 2000 years ago. 'of Nazareth' is a King James Bible mistranslation of 'the Nazarene' a specific Jewish sect at the time.

YOU HAVE A PH.D IN THROWING ROCKS AT HELLFIRE MISSILES. (RIGHT ?) OR DO YOU JUST HAVE A DEGREE IN CONTEMPORARY CAVE DECORATION ? .....EAT PORK. YOU'LL NEVER GO BACK. IT'S THE OTHER WHITE MEAT.

I THOUGHT JESUS WAS A JEW. BEFORE YOU START CALLING ME STUPID, I HAVE TWO COLLEGE DEGREES. CHEMISTRY / WARFARE. I HAVE MADE AN EXTENSIVE STUDY OF THE B.I.B.L.E. FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND I THOUGHT JESUS WAS FROM NAZARETH. ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE YOUNG HIPPY PROTESTERS ? DO YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ? DO YOU HAVE TO PAY TUITION FOR A COUPLE OF CHILDREN ? HAVE HEARD OF THE BILDERBERG GROUP, THE C.F.R., THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION ? THEY ALL WANT YOU TO BE DESTRACTED AND DIVIDED, SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP YOU ALL FIGHTING, THEREFORE YOU ARE MORE EASILY CONTROLLED. ORGANIZED RELIGION IS WHAT HAS ALL OF YOU TEENS AND 20s SOUNDING THE WAYS THAT YOU DO. QUESTION ? AND PLEASE ANSWER. WHERE ARE ALL OF THE CHRISTIAN SUICIDE BOMBERS ???? KEEP THROWING THOSE ROCKS AT THOSE HELLFIRE MISSILES...AND DONT' GET CAUGHT W/OUT YOUR BURKA...DONT' LEAVE HOME W/OUT IT!!!! STIR THAT POT.....FAN THOSE FLAMES....RUB THAT SALT....DID FATHER ABRAHAM EVER HAVE A BASTARD SON ?????

I don't need to call you stupid, you manage very well without my assistance. Every comment I make is supported by evidence that you are probably too blinkered to check. Abraham, Moses and Noah for example are Muslims. Muslim is not, as you seem to believe a race, it means someone who submits to the will of God. Moslem is NOT the same as 'Mohammedan' and Muslims do not acknowledge that 'Mohammedans' is a correct name for a Muslim.
You can download an English translation of the Koran from the internet, and I suggest you do so before making attacks on someone else's religion. When you make stupid comment - you look stupid.

MOSES WAS A HEBREW. YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. YOU ARE BEING BRAINWASHED RIGHT NOW....GO OUTSIDE AND THROW ROCKS AT THE FIRST AIRCRAFT THAT YOU SEE. DONT WORRY IT'S NOT YOURS. YOURS HAVE NEVER BEEN INVINTED, OR BOUGHT. WHAT HAS YOUR DUSTBOWL OF A COUNTRY EVER DONE FOR THE BENEFIT OF MANKIND ? DONT WORRY I'LL WAIT FOR YOUR RESPONSE. SUICIDE BOMBERS THAT KILL ONE ALLY AND 500 DUSTBOWLERS.

HOW ARE THINGS OVER AT DUSTBOWL UNIVERSITY???? U.S.C. RULES. DONT LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT!!!!!!!! I COULD BUY YOU A BIKINI. I'LL WAGER YOU IT'S A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE THAN THAT TENT THAT YOU ARE WEARING. HAVE A NICE DAY SUNSTROKE. HEHEHEHE!!!!!

Listening. But the reality in the world is out of sync with what you are saying.

If it is true that Muslims are just peace loving, tolerant, fun loving people then:

1) Why do they harbor, support, and give refuge to terrorist organizations? Not just on an individual village or region level, but entire countries?

2) Why do they tolerate the PLO, or Iran, or Iraq for that matter? Why don't they rise uop and crush these people who you assert are the complete antithesis of Islam?

Can you imagine for even one moment some American terrorist organization going to Iraq, blowing up on of their most precious landmarks, and in doing so, bring death to 3000 of their innocent people then come back here where they are heralded, worshipped, and given refuge from Justice.

Not only improbable but absolutely preposterous!

We would execute them ourselves. The Muslim world condemns itself with its own silence on these issues.

There are thousands of American terrorists in Iraq. And Iraq had NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE terrorism. Of course, sorry, they are bringing freedom to Iraq. Let's not forget that America is currently fighting two organisations that it set up and armed.

El: again, I think your assumption is far from the reality on this one, mate. The main reason these extremists blowing themselves in muslim countries just because many muslims gvnts wiping them out of their countries. For instance, on the afghanistan border. pakistani army did the major operation and killed hundreds and hundreds of extremists in their camps. As a result they returned against the gvnt & local people and started bombing streets and killing innocent people throughout the country. In Iraq & afghanistan too, hundreds dying every day by suicide attacks because local muslim people and the gvnt do not want them on their land.

It is just like, if few people in any society have an access to guns & bombs and they become mafia/gangsters and start terrorising people. Then this is absolutely wrong to make this assumption that the whole city is a terrorist OR they harbour or support these gangsters…!

Every country has its own internal policies to deal with the situation in order to keep the peace and to avoid innocent deaths. Some are using intense force like pakistanis did and as a result they are now facing suicide bombers, attempted attacks on army generals and murders of big politicians. They have paid a huge price so far just to stop these extremists. It is more complicated than we think. Isn’t it?

For your kind information 911 was planned in US. If you wish to find them then start from your town. But again 99.99% of American-muslims are more American then muslim. So it would be unwise to judge each and every one.

If you mean they went to flight school in the US, that's true, but don't try to muddy the waters by implying this was some sort of home grown US conspiracy. It wasn't. OBL is Saudi through and through.

And you want to know what image will be burned forever in my mind?

The films taken throughout the Muslim world of people celebrating, dancing, shooting of guns, and laughing when they heard about 9/11.

There was no outrage. There was no condemnation. There was no expulsion of OBL. And there was certainly no help given to the US in locating and bringing OBL to Justice. And you know what? I'm not accepting the excuse that just because he lives in my community does not mean I support him. When you lie with dogs, you're going to get fleas.

I guess the terrorists are lucky I'm not the President. If I had been, and I identified all the people who flew planes into the WTC, I would have sent out my assassins to kill every living relative of those people out to three generations removed.

The only thing the people of the Middle East respect is fear. And I would have given it to them by the truckload.

As far as my own Country goes, I can only say I am disgusted with our inability to wean ourselves from the Middle Eastern oil teet. But that doesn't give them the right to massacre our civilians.

I firmly believe 911 was the result of US hidden agenda and its greedy policy. Let’s face it most of the americans believe that too or at least they doubt US honesty. There must be valid reasons behind it that they do not believe what gvt claims. You might need to do more research on this to find out “why”.

Well let’s say if US gvnt was’nt involved then it showed poor security measures and failure to protect their people OR might be they had let this happened for a reason that we all know very well. And the statement applies to you as well like you said “When you lie with dogs, you're going to get fleas”, as these terrorist got trained and planned 911 in your home grounds.

The film you watched about celebration & dancing might be from these gangster’s control area “the ghettos”. It did not represent the celebration of the whole muslim world. That was your media that portrait that way and instigated more hatred. Politics is quite complicated for a general public to understand. For instance, if someone shouts and points out someone “THIEF” in a busy street. Everybody runs after him without any evidence and joins the crowd.

If OBL solely involved in all this then everybody knows he was/is hiding in afghanistan so why they haven’t captured him and bring him to justice while thousands of US troops in this area? Have you ever questioned this to your gvt?

LOL as far as you being a president, I would say Good Luck with that, you have my support! ;-)

Beleive no such thing. We put those kinds of conspiracy crack pot quackery notions firmly on the rubbish pile where they belong. All except for the Muslims, of course, who still firmly believe this was a grand plot hatched by the Jews to discredit them.

As for not protecting the US citizens you are absolutely correct. I know the concept of a free and open society is completely foreign to you, but here in the US we don't run around in a state of paranoia, peeking into every dumpster, back alley, and shadow mumbling, "Where's the filthy Christian? Where's the Jew pig?" So being a free and open society means that even a piece of dog S**t like a Muslim Terrorist can, for the most part, operate safely here. But don't delude yourself about where those 19 Saudi pieces of pig shite got their training. Just because Muslims lack the expertise and engineering skill to build their own airplanes, does not mean they were trained in the U.S. Their training started the day they came out of their mother's wombs and they were told from day one that the reason the mighty Arab has fallen behind the Western world in every measurable way is because god wants them to die killing everyone who has made their life better.

I don't know where the films were taken and neither do you. What I do know is no Muslim nation has captured OBL and executed him for crimes against humanity. And they wont. Because to them he is a hero, a savior, a big man who stood up against the US. But I do know about that theif thing you're saying. You wonderful enlightened people just set him down and cut off his hand, don't you?

Yes we have questioned the Government. Thats why we have a new President. I guess you better get going over to that cave he's living in and let him know he better start looking over his shoulder.

And thanks, but I don't need your support. All I need you to do is continue doing what Muslims do best: Kill innocent civilians in acts of desperation because you are simply too cowardly, ill trained, and ill prepared to let armies fight armies to settle your differences. How many times do the Israelis have to kick Muslim ass for this truth to become self evident? How many times does America have to wipe out Iraq?

I suggest you "Religion of Peace" people stop poking big dogs with sticks. You seem to lose at that sort of thing.

El: Well I also personally reject that 911 was the solely work of jews as there are no firm evidence to back this allegation. As far as conspiracy theories then you need to question your fellow americans not muslims in particular!

Your beloved gvt told their citizens that we would be attacked. It was a part of the well planned scheme to make american people’s mind, that how to react and who to blame as soon as 911 attack happens. If they knew what’s gonna happen then why did they not implement any security measures? It showed their ignorance and failure (or scheme).

El: you are again still being stereotyped and judging me. For your info I do live in a free and open society and not in any 3rd world country that you might be referring to.

Since you are accusing arabs again and again for all this. Just to let you know they do not give a crap about religion as they are too busy counting their money and living in a lavish lifestyles. And at the same time your US gvt is licking their balls for their oil.

If any muslim country hasn’t managed to capture OBL then there is a reason. He won’t be walking around the streets freely and invites his arrest. No one knows his exact where about. Yes he will be captured and executed at the right and convenient time when ever american’s think-tank feels like it, just like saddam! So don’t worry mate wait for your gvt to decide! It’s a game towards New World Order. Tell your gvt, NO nation in this world’s history managed to conquer the world and neither will americans. This will remain US dream until this war consume their own people. History repeats itself, whoever set out to rule the world were vanished gradually. And we Europeans will sit and watch how americans self destroy itself, mark my words! Yes the whole world will be watching US burn in their own fire until they stop and change their policies and decide to live in peace and keep themselves to their lands!

Signs have already started to show up as your gvt’s 700 billion bailout plan. This money belongs to people (you) and suppose to spend on their education, health and public services. If they did not spend too much money on arms and wars it could go to people’s well being. They could cut down their military budget and save their people but NO….! By way you should start looking into american’s history of violence that you claim to be peaceful nation. I will not waste my time to remind this to you here.

Our discussion is going nowhere because of your little knowledge on pre and post 911. Politics is an evil game sunshine, it is not your cup of tea. Read this article from the globalresearch. You might need to be patience and opened mind while reading this.

globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10144
(after this article, I rest my case - Cheers)

All I can say is you're welcome to believe whatever trash you like.

But in the end, throughout this entire discussion...I note you're too ashamed of your own nation to reveal what piss-hole you call home.

So jump on your little carpet, plow your head into the soil, and beg Allah to explain to you why your enlightened nation falls short of US standards in every measurable way.

Kinda makes you wonder if maybe you should turn to Christ...

What American Standards?
Thou shalt not kill? (Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq, Afghanistan)
Thou shalt not bear false witness (Weapons of mass destruction, Iraq planned 9/11)
Thou shalt not steal (Iraqi Oil)
Please tell me what they are, and how only America has them.

Kill
Yourself