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I'm a veteran of this very war, and a disabled one. And I thank you for what you've said.


N O W , F O R T H E U N E D U C A T E D :


I'm a veteran of both operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom, the last of which bought me a spine injury and pain for the rest of my life.

I'm afraid a lot of people don't really get it. The two operations have NOTHING to do with each other.

The first was to get Bin Laden, and neutralize the tyranny of the Taliban. Afghanistan's country infrastructure and people are in better shape now, by all measures, since we went.

Iraqi Freedom was a completely different mission, to take out Hussein. Were the American people led to believe the two were connected? I think so. But if you were ever paying attention, they weren't.

And Sadaam was FAR more ruthless and killed millions of citizens of his own country, methodically and ruthlessly, with chemical weapons.

If he knew anyone spoke against Sadaam politically, the man would to a chair and forced to watch as his wife and children were raped in all orifices with a broken bottle.

Please, you brilliant people, give me any example of another dictator in the world today that came even close to these horrific acts! Give me a more worthy target to be taken out of power. You can't come close.

We didn't go in there to murder tons of innocent people!

The first soldiers encountered at the border were so sad they didn't even have boots or food. Just sandals and a gun, and no belief in what they were told to protect. They surrendered right away, and we immediately gave them food and treated them under the Geneva Convention provisions.

I am personally embarrassed by the acts of a few complete idiots in other areas and branches service and their acts. The prison example has cast a shadow on the noble service I and my fellow honorable servicemen proudly performed. There are screw-ups everywhere, and when you find them, you deal with them. But these events cannot negate the overall good and future that promises for the Iraqi people.

The insurgent forces are NOT Iraqis. If they were, and they were defending their country, would they be killing the very leaders that have just been elected and appointed by themselves? Again, I beg of you, please can you justify your logic!? And again, you can't.

These people have been treated like slaves, and lived in poverty while Baghdad should be one of the richest cities of Asia. All while this monger had a dozen golden toilets to sit on, while he could murder and mangle any who dared ask a question of his conduct.

I'm not going to tell you that you have no right to say the things you have, because as a soldier, I swore to your right with my life.

But please, open your eyes. Stop believing that your fellow countrymen are some sort of evil. And if you really hate it that bad, perhaps you'd like to move.

"The first was to get Bin Laden, and neutralize the tyranny of the Taliban. Afghanistan's country infrastructure and people are in better shape now, by all measures, since we went."

Last time I checked he was still free, by the way, he was the one who planned 9/11. What is your latest update on him?

With all due respect to all who serve at this moment, you can't label those who criticize as "anti-americans", you don't have any damn right to do so. Any american loves his/her country as much as you do, if you can't stand criticism then you completely lost whatever values the Army, Navy, Air Force, the Marines, etc, taught you. I read some of the responses here I can only visualize a bunch of bitter losers who disgraced the privilege of serving our country. Just because you happened to be in Iraq or Afghanistan it doesn't give you any extra entitlements. You don't deserve any respect.

A real and intelligent soldier goes beyond the military doctrine, a real soldier has a good grasp of the real world, assimilates criticism (whether constructive or destructive), gets any good out of it and learn. You, on the other hand, are just a group of kids playing tough and having orgasm with weapons (when you were civils you had the same with your playstatio right?), none of you cut as a leader. I would be fucked up if I have to go to war with you because you will get us all killed.

You all have your head filled with BS, can't think for yourselves.

Sorry disabled veteran but somebody has to put some clarity in this S**t .

I think if you went to war and got fucked up it's because he did it to you.

The hunt for Bin Laden continues today , although there may be a chance he died from kidney failure , and his band of criminals destroyed his body so we can't find it.

Last time i looked our side of the fence seemed as unequal as the iran, iraqi or where ever else. We have magazines that celebrate the wealth and waste of a minority (golden toilets) while we still have poverty (crack whores) all around. The difference seems to be that when it's at home we rationalise the poverty and injustice away. When we see it abroad we feel duty bound to kill all those involved, doesn't make sense when we ignore the plight of those living much closer at hand?

For every US hating chump there's 2 US Patriots. Besides, this is the internet remember? The people that protest this stuff are more than likely the very same people our soldiers are fighting.

u cares u aint helping the country u F**king ruining the country more and more another Vietenam np lads USA will lost alots of mens!
I hope Iraq resist years after years and USA will get shame from actos they did against that country if Sadam kills is owns ppl is problem dont come and say that u have rights to act anyone u should take care of your own country or the really powerfull Like corea maybe u will get your ass raped on your own country and stay in the same hole for the rest of your stupid days was a country!

Yea, well, any smart person would realize that the two were not connected. What YOU are failing to realize is that our president made most of the dumb ppl living here think that they WERE related - which was how he gained support for the Iraq war in the first place.
Sure he stated that we were going to get Saddam - but why? Well, according to Bush, because "there were weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq was supporting terrorism and was a threat to the US..."
Sure sounds like he was TRYING to relate the two to ME, doesn't it?!
I'm only 18, but the fact that I'm more aware of what goes on in our country that you "veterans" is pretty damn scary.

God speed to all soldiers at war. We know nothing of their pain, horror and torment during or after a war. Sit and relax one and all who criticise. Or enroll in the forces. Your choice.

We're fighting them over there not here! This could be your back yard, so people need to think really think! Do you want this at home? No I didn't think so!

MSGT (E-7) USAF Ret

Who are u trying to fool? Iraq has no government...there are just some puppets manipulated by americans.The only thing u r after is serving your ego and takeing control of the oil fields...

My son is over in Iraq for the second time and what he tells me that goes on and what the media show us are two different things. No, I don't want this war to go on any longer, I want my son back. No, I do not think we should just run away from Iraq either. I just don't want it to end up another Viet Nam. Let the armed forces do what they are trained to do without the sniveling politicians tying their hands behind their back. Doesn't anyone remember that it was when we finally started bombing the crap out of North Vietnam that they came back to the peace nogotiations. These insurgents are cowards and hid behind children and women. And they don't care about the Geneva convention. And it is their wish in life to kill all Americans. I mean all, they will not care if you are a woman, child, man. They mock us and dance when we are killed. I don't know what the magic answer is but as long as there are American soldiers there, we need to give them our uncompromising support.

good video

good video

Ahh now we see how the cookie crumbles your actualy just some kind of religious hick with the bizare notion "god" is on your side. I supose you still point at planes where your from . Oh just to add i am not american but british and its not just your country that i find disolusioned but mine as well the worst thing is our priminister is going along with everything your raving lunatic president has to say but maybe when a pair of F*gs like that fall in love even minor issues such as invading a country dont seem to matter when they have batty men like you suporting them now get a grip geeza you are not in any way justified to invade another country no matter how much you try and whitewash it.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF PUNCTUATION!?!?!?!?

this is not an english lesson this is a means to put your opinion accross so why should i care about punctuation. Now are you just anoyed because i made a valid point and you have nothing to say in reply i think that is the case PuNcTuaTiOn why should i care grow up dumbass

Thank God, someone else, has the brains to see the real truth, and not believe the left wing propaganda spewed upon society by most of the media. America may not be executing as well as it might have, but it still has righteousness behind it's motives.

when r u going to realize 9/11 had nothing to do with iraq the only reason we r there is the fact it is briming wiyh oil. if some country was to invade america to relive it of some tyranical dictatorship u would be up in arms aswell get it sorted war boy

shut the fu** up...take your gay a** to iraq so u can get shot...we dont want a bunch of commies in this country....

ah now we see how far your brain power can go the only comment u can bring to this argument is lets go to iraq and get shot no thanks i can do that in london anyday of the week do us all a favour and go there yourself and become another statistic.

If that is true, we sure aren't making a profit.

Ok. I did ONE search on the internet. Took me less than 5 SECONDS. You anti-war idiots are something else. You accuse everyone else of being brainwashed drooling Bushites, and yet here it is in black and white.

http://www.eia....


It's about oil huh? Iraq is number SIX of the top 15, With only 573k barrels vs. 2064k barrels for number 1. Number 4 on the list? 919k barrels per day, or 1487.8k barrels more per month than Iraq.

You idiots. Use your head. Let me know if you want anything else disproven. I think I have the spare 30 seconds it would take.
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by intrstrnr, 2nd, February

Wow, and you call us conservatives brainwashed. The argument that the pro-war people are brainwashed is an admitance by the anti-war panzies that they have no good arguments. There is no good reason not to be proactive against Anti-American governments in the middle east. Even the lame argument of "well whay not attack N. Korea then?" Is lame. They are not harbouring terrorists idiots. You anti-war idiots obviously miss the whole point. We were attack by MIDDLE EASTERN TERRORISTS so we are ridding middle eastern countries of Dictatorships that promote and or harbour terrorist. BAM. That simple. And yet you come up with all kinds of reasons we are "really" over there. It's actually quite simple. America has put up with a lot of crap from the world for doing the right thing. We've turned the other cheeck too many times. The gloves are off. F**k with the United States of America, we will come F**k YOU UP. Now, most of these little bitch ass dictatorship countries don't like that, well too bad. The gloves are off. Tell St. Peter to get ready, He's gonna have a lot of dissalusioned muslims to explain things too.

What a load of c*ck! You wouldnt be a f*cking veteran if your dumbass president hadnt made up a load of f*cking bullshit story about W.M.D's .the only reason they invaded the country was based on 100% lies and bullshit....seems to go hand-in-hand with these bush lovers. How can you possibly make any excuse about these "terrorists" killing american soldiers when their country is being invaded by these insurgents.America is killing inncoent civilians and soldiers who are trying to protect their country for foreign forces.You are the terrorists, terrorising these people everyday of their lives. You supply other countries like Israel with hundreds of nuclear missiles to bombard their bordering counties and kill innocent civilians with your weapons. YOU are the reason the world isnt "free". Have a good hard look at in the mirror and maybe you can see through your narrow minded,biggoted and government censored media.then tell me who the terrorists are.

Hmmm.... I wonder why? We're the terrorists? - they started it, we're simply finishing it... and it ain't coming out the way you expected, is it? Tuff titty...

The difference between us and you is that you'd use a nuke if you got it... we use it to defend. Too bad in my opinion. Be glad Bush is in there, if it was a guy like me, you guys from "poor" "bordering countries" would have nothing for a country but a parking lot.

Only F**ks like you would think it's funny and worthy to kill someone else. You F**king Christian asshole...you're an embarrasment to the whole religion.

Yeah it's really funny to sit there and laugh while someone is being blown up.

Go and learn your country's history you stupid asshole before you mouth off so much. And if you have any balls, go and enlist and fight if think it's so worthy.

Otherwise shut the F**k up.

For fighting for our country. You are right,because of present soldiers and soldiers from the past,we have the freedom to say what we want when we want. I have had uncles serve in Vietnam and friends and cousins serve in Iraq. Half these f00kers are prolly insurgents themselves. These f00kers can go back to believing the internet BS and go back to looking at midget Porn......later,GG :)

intrstrnr -

You are correct beyond words. If anything, much more death and destruction should have been dealt out in the first month, because there are ONLY 2 ways to win a war:

Kill everyone that comes into vision in the land of the enemy,
-OR-
Kill your enemy so hard, in such a unrelenting fashion, that they absolutely, positively will not pick up arms to fight back anymore.

Anything less is just an extension to the end of war. The more brutal it is, the sooner it will be over.

The kissy-kissy crap doesn't work, and specifically, Arabs don't respect anything short of overwhelming force. The first time you smile, they think they can get back into it.

We should have dropped a nuke on Baghdad. Just one, a small one, then they would have got the message.

Stay strong, kick ass, come home. Oh, and thanks for serving.

R.D.

You turn off Fox News and step outside into the real world. In the real world, real men think for themselves. They don't let their governments tell them who their enemies are. At least that's how it is up here, north of the Mason-Dixon.

The Pentagon's arsenal in no way compensates for you own personal weakness. Your inability to control your own destiny remains a problem - even after the money is paid to Lockheed Martin, after the bombs are dropped on the other side of the earth, after the children are burried. You're still weak.

My advice: Never change the channel. Stay tuned to Fox. If you start asking questions, your world will fall apart - and trust, me it won't be a soft landing. Keep waving the flag. Your government will protect you. Fear who they tell you to fear. The Pentagon protects your "FreedomTM". Serve your leaders. Pay your taxes. Good boy.

God that was truer beyond trueness ^_^ this is exactly the S**t I'm talking about, but I get flamed for it when I say it...

We are fighting the good fight, ask a liberal Jew what he thinks, and he'll agree. These muslim-loving assholes have no idea what freedom requires. I just got back from DC and after talking to vets in front of the Korean and Vietnam memorial you get a real sense of what these guys do. But you hit it on the head, GWB is squeezing the Muslims that have only one agenda, to reclaim the world in the name of a sick and twisted fascist belief, that by hook, crook, murder, they can reclaim righteousness through their Alah? For all those idiots in America who lack true knowledge, you are free to be an asshole, you should thank these guys for keeping you head from being severed and posted on a pole.

u r a fuking mong the jews practically tell bush what to do

If you slow down the frames, frame by frame, you see the rightous fighter go skyward to Alah, or at least a big chunk of him. Unfortunately, due to gravity, he won't make it to Alah, the pieces will fall and hit the ground where stray animals will eat them.

u wonder y u being attacked i have never ever been racial to any skin color, religion, or race and u kno its ur kind that turns me into a hater, i mean wtf u strive on the death of other ppl wat kind of piece of sh*t are u, muslims dont call for war they dont go to war they defend themselves there not blood suking ppl they belive in peace and if u think coz i person defends hes home country by an invasion y is he a terrorist hes not attackin civilians hes attackin soliders that shouldnt b ther, u speak oh wer ther to help, who askd for ur help, wer are these weapons of mass destructions and if there was y havnt they been used as defence. and one more thing u claim to help, what about somalia, ethoipia, etc and other starving nations, u call ur selfs super power instead of building weapons and killing innocent children and woman y not help starving countries. answer me that if u belive that that guy died as a terriorst u imbread

You're lying through your teeth. Muslim countries are the most oppressive, bloodthirsty in the world. You speak one way but act another. And when the whole world catches you in your lies you're not even ashamed. You just tell another lie. Islam has been disgraced before the world, but most of you are too stupid to know it. Shame on you.

I love to be hated!

I just want to say you took the words right out of my mouth. I'm glad to see that i am not alone when i see people who sit there and criticize the war and just want to thrash on them. People can be so ignorant sometimes and I'm happy to see there are still some intelligent people out there like you. God bless America.

Why don't you criticize the war? Why this defference to authority? You were lied to. Why let your government tell you who your enemy is?

You will be taxed. Your kids will be taxed. The interst payments on the Treasury notes purchased by the Asian governments that fund this war WILL COME DUE. You will suffer. The economy will suffer. This nation suffes now and will continue to suffer.

Yet you dutifully wave your flag, like that's going to help matters. This is a republic my friend. It is your duty to criticize the war.

You're just a coward (possibly southern, judging by your attitude). But don't worry, us Yankees will save the republic (again) while you bible thumping flag waving cowards sit on your couches cheering on the Pentagon.

You're pathetic.

You're voting Obama eh? haha wow liberal hippie

yeah, ok. I'm not condoning either side of the war, but you're calling people ignorant, which is downright funny. Look at what you wrote. Who attacked America on 9/11? Supposedly Osama Bin Laden, but when we couldn't find him Saddam (who is probablly the terrible tyrant the media makes him out to be) became the US's scapegoat. Don't be confused by the 'war on terrorism' in Iraq it has very little to do with what happened on 9/11. Global strategy? F**k you. We are a democracy, no more of this imperialistic bullshit that you're spewing. And how the F**k do you propose to detur someone who doesn't value their life? Shut up, cut your ribs out and S**k on your own dick, maybe by the time you die of blood loss you'll ejaculate otherwise you could bite your dick off before blowing your load.

Yet another moron defending Saddam... Its amazing what these people will come to!

Did you accidentally let your government tell you who your enemy is?

I hate when I do that. (don't feel ashamed... it happens to lots of people). Just try to pay closer attention next time.

light armoured vehicle rounds first then probably a air to ground missle and thelast was a missle or a m1a1 blast

had great advanced civilizations before thousands of years. The US need I remind you is 200 yrs old. Wake up, do your crack, eat your burgers, vote idiots in office and leave the philosophy to others.

yet we advanced probablu ten times faster.

well stated, 100% agree

Hey intrstrnr,
How about you stop being some radical asshole, nobody gives a S**t when you come off like a prick with your views.

Bet you coulda been AIRBORNE!!! And F**k all these civilian dickless pukes.

Until those civilian "dickless pukes" invade your U.sa S**t then you will be crying like pussies....

We wouldnt have this S**t right now. 911 was bullshit, just a reason to get us here like I am right now. 911 is a cover-up. I am here on my third tour in Iraq. It S**ks . Nothing ever changes. We build something, some F**k blows it up. Iraqi people cant even leave ther own house for fear of being kidnapped and shot. Bodies everywhere. This place S**ks . It will take 20 years to put back into place what US bombs have taken out. The Iraqi people dont even trust us anymore. Do you blame them? I dont. I will serve my country but not at the cost of more lives being lost because of a bullshit story about 911 that put us here.
Someone do me a favor in the U.S. Ask someone in DC how many more flags do I have to turn over to wives and mothers before we get out of here?
The real fight is back home in our own backyard taking care of ourselves before we step onto someone elses doorstep and start some S**t .
Trust me on this one, there is not enough bombs, missles or bullets that is going to win this fight. Its time we find another solution, we are losing this war.

Great argument... we should have left Saddam in power... wow...

When the dumbasses like you think it is. Its only lost when the troops pull out. Life is worth alot, but when men and women die, they don't want to do it in vain. Would you tell your offspring to quit a soccer game cause you thought he was going to lose?

you are nothing but a typical brain washed american. are you sure that the government that your president nominated is the government the iraquian people want?? have you accually seen any subject, related to what's happening in iraq, that was not american?? you have no F**king idea what's freedom. keep watching rambo movies..

Before you talk about people being brainwashed, learn how to read and/or spell. What in the hell is an Iraqian? Before blindly jumping on the side of "righteousness", figure out EXACTLY who you are arguing for/against.

Lastly, have you ever even SEEN Rambo?

...the greatest invention of the modern usa

if , I repeat if, a foreign power invaded the US, I suppose no one would resist because according to American idiot veterans, resisting is terrorism while invading is freedom bringing. This is what happens when illiterate kids are turned into GIs with a lot of help from drugs and Britney Spears mentality. SAD CASE FOR THE WORLD.

I say we Nuke Mecca now!
Allah is a F*g ! :o)

Have a nice day asshole!

Resisting good is. Invading america would be the dumbest thing ever. If someone was about to give you some money, candy, and tell you he'll be your body guard for free, would you resist it? Apparently you would.

And junk greasy food makes greasy kids with greasy minds which then support the war on "freedom" lol

To all those people who think the middle east has all the oil; Canada now has the LARGEST oil reserves in the tar sands or whatever they're called.
So by your accounts, the US will invade Canada next because of some stupid reason. Maybe because of the John H. Gomery report?? lol

Yes America needs oil, they HAVE oil by the billions in reserve. They don't want to use this until they absolutely have to, and if we can get the efficiency of this extraction process high enough, they won't have to get their oil from the middle east anymore.

War is a really scary thing.

And the problem with both parties having war is that they think they are both right and they are willing to die to fight for what they beleive is right.

And commentors in metacafe also fight because they fight for their beliefs as well.

Hope one day, people will realize that war is not the answer.

Although self defense is not a bad thing.

CGS to your limited minds and fucked up policy towards foreign countries, well guess what ...NOT the whole world is your enemy, you psychos!
LOVE YA...but more then you limited imbecils I Lo_Ove president Bush ...NOOOOOOOOT!!!! LOL
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Apparently you guys should all grow up and debate in a mature manner instead of flaming those who use brains.

Dude,yeah!

how can u say u defend people when u bomb cities u brainwashed monkey! U utter moron! Have you ever wondered why there was no investigation to who where the security personnel that let so many terrorists through control at Lgan airport???? I was in Boston you f***in ass***le and we were all scared. we were waiting for that investigation to catch whoever did it and guess what, IT WAS NEVER MENTIONED ON THE RADIO AGAIN!!!! U AND UR BUDDIES BESIDES BEING KILLERS YOU ALSO WASTE YOUR OWN LIVES SERVING CORPORATE BASTARDS THAT ONLY MOVE A MUSCLE WHEN ITS TIME TO CASH IN! AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED, YOU ARE EXPENDIBLE ASSETS! And by the way, you should have the decency to refrain from being a killer, regardless of the fairy tale behind it.

where were you when it happened? being brainwashed by leftism I suppose.

Vulgarity is a sign of a weak argument.

listen, instead of p*king all over the intellect in this world, maybe you should stop, shut up and open your eyes so you may be able to see what the rest of the world is seeing... ?
no offence, but it seems to me you have no clue what on earth you are talking about...

The world isn't the black and white that its made out to be.

For example, there aren't just 'the insurgents'. There are at least 4 different groups fighting it out in Iraq right now:-

International Islamist groups (i.e. Al-Qaeda in Iraq) who are Sunni and who are trying to defeat Westerners AND Iraqi Shiites

National Islamist groups (i.e. Muqtada al-Sadr) who are Shiite and fighting against Westerners AND Iraqi Sunnis.

Baathist Loyalists fighting against Westerners AND against new political forces that threaten their traditional power base.

Nationalist who are secular and want to see an end to Westerner occupation of Iraq.

Your correct to say that both Syria and Iran have a stake in supporting various factions - this is global power politics after all. The problem is, the US unleashed a lot of these problems by itself trying to play and win the game of geopolitics, by removing Saddam Hussein on what have proved to be false charges.

The aim was to remove him, install a democratic and Western leaning government - thereby securing US and Western interests in the MIddle East in the future, primarily due to the importance of Iraq's energy reserves. One only has to look at Putin's use of Russia's energy production as a political weapon in Eastern Europe to see the significance that energy will have on foreign policy in the future.

Unfortunately, the Bush administration failed to plan properly for a post war Iraq - indeed, Rumsfeild refused to look at the plans drawn up over many years by Powells State Department; Bush was acknowledged that he did not even know the difference between Shiite and Sunni within Islam; and Dick Chenney told the American people that 'we will be greeted as liberators'

This isn't to say that Saddam was a good man, or that the actions of the insurgents are humane fair or balanced. What is to say, however, is that this war was improperly planned, and improperly executed - against the very wishes of the military, who repeatedly asked Rumsfeld for more troops, more equipment etc. The large number of retired Generals who came out to strongly criticise him is testiment to his mistakes, and to the quality of the US forces.

Bush has recently gone on to say that the threat from terrorism is now as great as anything we faced in the Cold War. But lets just consider that for a moment - former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, recently pointed out that he commissioned a study whilst serving under Carter that showed that within 24 hours of a nuclear conflict with the USSR, approximately 120-140 million people would be killed. There is absolutely nothing that a terrorist organisation could do that would come close to this, in any sense.

I fear that this entire issue of 9/11 and the War on Terror is clouding what is the really significant threat for the future - climate change. I urge anyone who hasn't already to read the Executive Summary of the Stern Report on Climate Change - this is the real threat we face.

it' can't be recognized as an iraqui gouvernment if it's undedr the occupation.

what sicken's me is those sick people laughing while people are getting killed.

this is not a F**king game, human lifes are destroyed. u should see someone.

Those insurgents aren't even from that country dumb ass

you are wrong... america is commiting the worse error in a long time (some 5 minutes or so) over there.

you are all domb S**ts the war is all bush being a political domb ass tring to protect his familys oil investments. There is no point in war to kill of the own human race. war is a last defence and most of al-dida is in aftganastan any ways.

Finally somebody told this dumbasses the truth : Being against a War is a fuckin' fashion, just like for example hip hop is. Damn you, fuckin' hippies ! Before you go around spiting in soldiers faces and calling them baby killers or some S**t , stop for a second and think what this guys have been trough ! Just becouse Shady says Bush S**ks , does not give you the right to criticise something you don't have a clue about ( like being in at a war). A man who faced death value life and you probably never got your ass kicked, left alone having your life put at risk. Open ya eyes fuckin' morons. Big respect for ‎intrstrnr dude. And for the record I'm from Poland, not U.S.

Thank u SICK F**kS for killing 1000 people when only one american is sick, Thank u also for Stabbing and raping young pregnent Palestiniant women. Thank u also for Bombing buildings in Lebanon where innocent kids are sleeping with ur F**king weapons of MASS Destruction. Thank u very MUCH for restoring Democracy all over the world. Where would we be without u? in the caves i guess? yeah cause u r sooo F**king superior and cool u crakers. World would be a Safer place without bush. F**kING JARHEADS ;-) enjoy

FOR HAVEING NO FING CLUE OF WHATS GOING ON!

either communism or an anarchist society is the way to go :D

no problem asslum

Hey bro/sis,
Who are you talking about? You're just spewing emotional hatred. Do you know anyone that submits to the will of the god of our father Abraham is a MUSLIM! Our brother or sister. This is the real truth. There are no more religious wars anymore, this is all political crap. The lord of the worlds is totally aware of what's going on. The nation of our father moses were the choosen ones, favored by the lord. But if you still to this day notice, they are the most prosperous and educated of all religions. The are the lord favorites and they ARE our brothers and sisters. Disgusting acts are taking place all over the world. When the USSR collapsed, there were many orphan children and they were being adopted by middle eastern countries in great numbers. An investigation was doen, all the blond and blue eyed little girls were being trained for prostitution, this in Saudi. Just because a muslim or a jew or a christian has recieved guidance, must humble him/herself not become arrogant and say that I'm better. These type of brothers/sisters are dispised in the quran. Go read the book in the language that you understand, and when you prostate yoursefl in prayer know who you are standing before and clear all earthly thoughts. Stop simply not eating during ramadan that's easy, share your sustenace with EVERYONE and be tolerant. Also educate yourself even if you have to travel to the farthest place, learn how this universe works because it is the 1st fimament in the seven.

someone has realy fucked up with your mind man.i could write a whole book answering u on your comment.instead i will only ask a question:did anybody of these stupid murderers check for civilians on that building?

yes, it was most likely the whole city block was evacuated.

That is the reason for the civilians to resist the insurgents. If they are not part of the solution, then they are part of the problem.

Bush talking.
defend freedom!! democracy!! u must be joking.. they are only economic reasons for this war.
iran, syria.. i dont defend this countries, but it's like when bush was talking about irak.. nuclear weapons, chemical weapons. Did they find anything there? BIG LIE.
terrorits, kidnapping, cutting heads and what else? make people afraid, and they ll support the war. very smart, hen? and the worst.. it works!
One thing that we must remember, all this people diyng everyday in irak. they are humans just like u and me. families were exterminated, and things r not going better

I love it when ignorant people talk.. Its just amusing!

to commit in iraq. That doesn't sound economical to me. We take it out of health care even to help a struggling nation, and that helps our economy.

1-2 doesnt equal three

we are in the negs, and you say its for economy.

Bush talking.
defend freedom!! democracy!! u must be joking.. they are only economic reasons for this war.
iran, syria.. i dont defend this countries, but it\'s like when bush was talking about irak.. nuclear weapons, chemical weapons. Did they find anything there? BIG LIE.
terrorits, kidnapping, cutting heads and what else? make people afraid, and they ll support the war. very smart, hen? and the worst.. it works!
One thing that we must remember, all this people diyng everyday in irak. they are humans just like u and me. families were exterminated, and u know what, things r far from getting better.

wake me up when something more interesting is put on here!!

You are damed if you do, damed if you don't. These people look for ways to complain. They are not the innocent ones getting hurt, but the ones causing the trouble, they fear losing the little power they have over the masses and the black market. Its a pity that more innocent people of the country arn't able to voice their views, I am sure they would say they want the help of other nations to be free.

Shut up.. we have had the right to speak freely since 1776... some sand people are not going to change that.. narrow minded simpleton

The CIA´s conclution is that the Iraq war has increased the terrorist threat to the USA.

And drawn into war? George W Bush has said that Iraq and Saddam Hussein hade no links to the Al´quadia, or any involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

I can not find the logic in the claim that US soldiers fighting in foreign countries in any way protect my freedom. Where is the connection?

they would be in your back yard, keeping you busy

And there hasn't been a terrorist threat on america since 9/11. Wow, what an increasing threat.

Since you obviously can't comprehend "intrstrnr's" post, try this. If you can read this, even with help, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, thank a veteran.
You want to roll over to the terrorists? I served so you have that right. Personally, fighting them in Iraq is a lot better than lower Manhattan.
Russ

I can surely say they are fighting for a better life for me my people and many more who are tired of having to put up with those islamofanatics and their S**t .

Should have remained in power, as he ruled with an iron fist, which the iraqi people needed. Becasue look at them now, they're going crazy. Although by an iron fist i dont aim to conclude that mass genoside is part of that, or for that matter any death under his hand. I think USA shouldnt have invaded, they should have diplomatically spoke to saddam to cease his ways, and to have tabs on the weapons of mass destruction, if indeed there were any.

im only 15, and some of you may think that thats too young to know anything about war, but have you ever tried to talk a bully out of leaving you alone? it just doesnt work, you try to be peacefull to a bully, and they beat theybeat you up even more. and i think its safe to say that terrorism is comparible to bullying on a much much larger scale

you're actually right.
wait, im only 18 i shouldn't be callin you "kid".
in my opinion, some of the most true statements come from the mouths of children, and youths like us. Too bad the people who think that since theyre decades older so they have the right to F**k up the world, never listen to us,

Saddam had his own reasons for hiding the truth: he needed respect of his people and the neighbors. He could not just come out and say that he aint got no weapons, he would be promptly invaded by Iran and Syria :)

We should have left Saddam in power to continue using nerve gas on his countryment and let Uday and Kusay continue picking out little girls on the street to take home and play pooter pirate on. By all means, we should have continued the meaningless diplomacy so well done by the meaningless UN over the 12 freaking years they were posting meaningless resolutions and took no action.

Actually, realistically, we should have located Saddam within a say, 5 mile area and carpet bombed that area.

Or, alternatively we should have nuke'd them from orbit.

and had a spy slip him some radioactive poison

Lets let jack the ripper stay out as long as he can.

You want a man who tortured countless people and buried them in mass graves and a man who attacked his own people using chemical warfare to stay in power? Are you crazy? Saddam is no better than Stalin.

the people in afghanistan and iraq are going to blow themselves up in the end, it they're life theyre taking, lets just hope our troops (UK,USA) dont get hurt when they decide to do it, if they dont want to live in this world, get a load of pill's,a gun,die in a car crash, just dont kill innocent soldiers that are patriotic to thier contry... Dont mean any dis-respect to anyone who feels offended, just speaking my mind (DONT TAKE ANY NOTICE IF WHAT I SAID DONT MAKE SENCE, I LOSE MYSELF OFTEN) lol

Even though I support the war in Iraq, thank you for the insightful, non-offensive opinion. I wish everyone were as grown up as you.

I think the same as you but only today, cause you know it's easy to see obvious things now that in the past were unthinkable. before the true chaos began in Iraq I thought that Saddam must be replaced because he did horrible things I thought with many many more like that because no one ever expected the chaos that will start there.
my point is that you're thinking the way you're thinking now because you see the results on daily basis right now.

another thing is I have to agree with ‎intrstrnr (the dude above) because I really don't think you have the right to say bad things about them because they're doing their jobs and they were sent there in order to bring democracy (at least the formal reason says so) and last thing - almost everybody doesn't know what real war looks like so can't say the Americans are brutal because the Iraqis are brutal too, so you have to be brutal to survive.
war is a brutal thing

Im only 14 and it seems pretty clear to me that the insurgents don't care for thier own poeple. They want to controle thier thoughts, feelings, and actions. --- Free them off free will.

What we wanted to accomplish when we went into Iraq, to me it seemed, was to take the trash that ran the country, kick some Taliban ass, and create a Goverment that could stand up to it themselves.

thats exactly what we did in the first gulf war. idiot.

PRotect Saudia Arabia, liberate kuwait, doesnt say anything about ending saddam, although we should have. Can we have better points from your side brought up. i am only sixteen, and I am Pwning you at this.

Thats many words dude"

Besides most Americans, the rest of the world doesn't give a damn about your casualties nor your 9/11.

That's right - don't care! Why? Because your country invaded another country based on false motives. Your country dragged our countries into your mess based on "you are either with us or against us" threats.

Your foreign policies messed up your image. Your destruction of what once was a beautiful country with millions of friendly people destroyed your image.

And again I state: I have more respect for that one sniper fighting for what he stands for - regardless of how "wrong" you think it is - than for the entire US army.

You shouldn't be there. It would've saved a lot of dead people.

But they are "ragheads", right? Who cares about collateral damage, as long as it ain't American soldiers right? The world would be a better place without other people wouldn't it?

Imagine China invading your country on grounds of "America having a device that blows the entire universe to bits". Then it turns out to be wrong, but meanwhile New York, Washington, your landmarks and cultural history - all wiped clean. Everyone living in fear, no power, no water, no food. 18-Year old Chinese kids with machine guns running through your streets, shooting your parents, your elders, your family, your friends, because "they looked suspicious".

Point of view.

And from my observant point of view I can say that it loosk like the USA is the bad guy here. They just make it look better.

Beheading one American soldier.. or precision bombing a building full of terrorists with 2 innocent children inside.

Gee, which is more cruel. The video online, or the carefully kept secret massacre?

To quote you-
"Beheading one American soldier.. or precision bombing a building full of terrorists with 2 innocent children inside.

Gee, which is more cruel. The video online, or the carefully kept secret massacre? "

In that scenario the room full of terrorists hiding behind the two innocent children are the ones who got them killed.

Clearly you are a F**king twit.

yuppers!

only stupid people like you think of other shiet to back em up... stupid fuk face wiffle

please guys. I'm only sixteen, and the rest of you are arguing like children.

when they have 100 children as hostage? or it doesnt matter as long as you "get" them?

the war on "terror" is bullshit. A lot of countries are terrified of the United States. USA constantly bullies developing countries using either their military might or their economical weight. USA is itself, the biggest terrorist on the planet

how the hell is defending you land a terrorist act...you ppl are really stupid read ppl read ...i guess u forgot the time when Russia was going to wipe you out...

America doesn't give a damn about you and your life. We just want to make the world a better place for US, if you don't want us to help to make it a better lace for ALL you are all under our watch for security purposes.

that I gave u a bad was because there was no -1 ignorant.

...we're coming to your country next. Have a nice day. =)

so we ae waiting your F**king army

smell mt deck befor you dream about that

and if you do ( and i dont think you can P***y )......try your best to lose slowly

ok kid..go to sleep and aske your bitch ( sorry i mean your mother ) to tell you story about that

I dont really want to flame. But we would probably nuke the S**t out of you.

9/11 you said??? hahahahaha

I didnt bother reading most of it but to parts which i did. Iraq war was based on WMD, did they find any? no. There goes the cause you came up with initially. Our understanding.. you came for the oil. And that still exists. 9/11 hmm if i remember correctly it was afghanistan that had major involvement in that according to you. what did you guys do in afghanistan? nothing. Ask a soldier coming from afghanistan and he will have no clue as to how many taliban are still there. I dont support the taliban but i hate the U.S. There is some serious higher level politics which sadly we will never find out about, unless it slips of GWB's tounge which has a very high probability.

Those flimsy excuses.. Nobody buys them anymore. You are the barbarians and you are being thought a lesson. All those deadly weapons, starwars technology, CIA and the rest of the bullshit you are depending upon does not compare with the power of that guy who just died in this video. You are scared shitless in front of this commitment, which you can't even begin to comprehend.

You are loosing and it will cost you. Humanity never forgave barbarians.

how is an insurgent's death a lesson to the U.S.? show more on the insurgent's stupidity than anything else...and if you think that the U.S. doesnt have the drive to continue this war then you are wrong... we have plenty of crazy fukers here that would love to go shoot some insurgents.

lots of crazy fuckers? ofcourse,what else do u expect when incest happens in those trailer parks.
Id like to see u fight a fair war,u pussies wont last a day.he stood his ground and hes fighting for his country,what the F**k are u fighitng for?ok im sure the taped response is expected.

your comment, the difference is that our crazy fuckers are dumb, drunken, poorly educated, overly outspoken teenagers or young adults that can't really go toe to toe with their tougher, better trained terrorists. Our basic training is a six week joke, theirs is a lifetime of violence. Were it not for our superior technology we would have gotten our asses kicked out of Iraq, Afganistan and any other place we invaded a long time ago, we are not as tough as you think we are, we just know how to fake it real well. Think about it, our average American soldier grows up in a 3bedroom, 2bath home with a nice green lawn in the front yard eating a solid 3 meals a day, evn our poverty stricken citizens live better than they do, those fukrs grow up dodging bullets, feeding from scraps, in war torn neighborhoods, as a whole they are much tougher than we are. Your comment is wishful thinking. You must be a teenager, go to school!

I don't know if your from america or not, but americas fighting force is the finest. They are some of the most brilliant tacticians you'll ever meet. Bravery is amazing here. When you say crap like that, it makes people wanna puke at what there defending. I sure as hell would defend someone like you. And a six week joke, its no joke. You try it some time, maybe you'll learn a thing or two.

is your mouth and even that is a grammatical error. "Humanity never forgave barbarians"? That's just the kind of nonsensical crap that those of your kind feed on to work yourselves up. Mohamad, my friend (not), for every 1 American soldier who has perished in Iraq, 100 Iraqis (mostly Shia) have been murdered. Would you care to explain that in real non-rhetorical terms?

Bloodthirsty barbarians. You think you will win by killing everything in sight? I'm sure that's what you think, and that is your shortcoming. You are not civilized. You are nothing but a savage murderer attacking everyone with your powerful weapons. The funny and quite expected thing is that you are proud of it. Correct your head instead of my grammar. At least I have tried to learn your language. Have you ever been interested in mine? No. Who needs it huh? That is another shortcoming, and you have a lot of them.

Someday your president and their cronies will be put to trial and get the punishment they desrve.

and killing for the better of all mankind. Its people like you who make this world the kind of thing we want to change from.

Surrond Iran?Why so u can better protect the black stuff ur dad uses to screw ur mom or bcoz u like being an israeli bitch?How many missiles does Iran have that can reach US?Your the one living in a hole,udefinately need to stop watching fox news.And anyone can see thru ur bullshit post,been in a war?dont seem like uve hit puberty yet!
Your feeling so bad for the marines>?who F**king told them to go there,kill 100000s of innocent ppl.You ppl are unbelievable!!
Saddam is bad?you fuckers didnt have a problem supplying him chemical weapons in the 80s?and u still have relations with so many worse dictators.
The world hates u for ur arrogance and ur ignorance,coz its a volatile mix.

in fact we spend a billion dollars a week in Iraq.... that buys plenty of oil without killing anyone.. so I doubt it's about the oil.

US spent that kind of money on army even when they not fighting anyway

Like:
Uninformed,
Stupid Commnent,
Brain washed,
Who told you that??? and the like...

These people are funny... no wonder they are wasting the country away....

is I honestly try to hear what people are saying.. but here on metacafe all I see are people that are so full of themselves and ignorant.. pointing fingers at everyone else.
Allot of hate here from all sides, but no one wants to be the bad guy.. instead they insist that someone else is stupid or less of a human for being in the catagory of "other than what I am"
There is no real debate here, only insults and ignorance.
Who do you believe? is there anyone on this site that you would take as an honest and influental idividual? I know I wouldn't.
I stated before that I believe this war was about George Jr going after Sadam because Sadam attempted assinating George Sr.
People have made comments about going after Korea and why we haven't gone there... and honestly I think it's probobly because Korea HAS the nuke's now and American Politicians are somewhat afraid of fighting in Korea again.
Whatever it is I can only speculate... ever hear the expression "if your not angry your not paying attention"?
I hate to pay attention! it all sux! I don't like to see anyone die! this guy on the roof whatever his purpose was... he tried to serve it.. the guys that delivered the bombs that killed him succeded today it what was thier purpose.
I'll be glad when all of this is over! and I do hope that when the smoke clears.. Iraq will be stronger than ever and free to live in peace!
I could give two sh*ts about the oil.. I want an elecrtic car and a solar home.
I do believe that there are too many anuses in America that are ruining the integrity of our nation.. I do believe that knowledge is power and that the American Government doesn't support the school systems simply because it keeps the masses ignorant and easy to control.
I'm far from ignorant maybe I just know less than some of you on this subject.. or your just as ignorant and your fingr is waiving at people simply because it makes you feel like a better person.. you decide!

period.

you got it right

What is your point. Did you say all that to let me know how smart you are? Or did you comment because you had something to say? Either way I see no difference between you and the rest of us.
This was a comment. but for the record I do enjoy my own voice.

I'll dumb it down for you, quit acting like a child and learn to use points instead of insults.

who says we're not going into korea?
the Koreans Hate us too tho.. F**k it.

to us soldiers, its not about politics. they shoot at us, we shoot back. simple as that. if the guy next to me gets shot, I'm going to want to kill everyone that might have pulled the trigger, and I'm sure they're the same way.

Cowards!! also there's no oil in N Korea to STEAL!!!

yto north korea, cause you aren't going to like today's fighting force. If it were'nt for the UN, we would be in there giving you guys food, using money for something other than weapons, instead, we aren't allowed to.

So then why do I have to thank a soldier for my rights. We send you in for all manner of reasons. In many ways you are a tool. I see nothing in what you had to say that contradicts this sentiment. I mean no disrespect. I have given 19 years to my country. I was paid in full. Were you.

Your right, and than your wrong. Soldiers gave birth to america. Soldiers protected america in world war 2, liberated france, italy, north africa, all at once. Soldiers, fought for our interests in north korea, vietnam. So when you say all the soldiers, including your self, didn't allow us to speak english you are wrong. If it was for the fear people have in us, we would have been run over by britain.

i think its because they know your right, and dont know ho wthey could oppose the truth

if somebody throughs a punch at you, are you just gonna stand their and take it?

i fsomebody hijacks a plane and murders thousands of people with it, are you just gonna stand there and take it?

Yes ...... but the U.S.a don't want to buy oil from Irak...

IT'S CHEAPER TO STEAL IT!!!!!!!!

or at least most of them are in the south, that is british command. So britain would be the ones taking the oil.

make up an obvious fictitious number to make it easier to understand my point.

Maybe it's a kabillion dollars or 100 million dollars... maybe it is a billion dollars if ya include the surplus ammo.. that we had already spent millions on.
I'm sure it would still be enough to buy oil for the next fifty freaking years.
screw it.. if it is about the oil... then greed keeps it...greed admires it... and greed supplies this stupid war!

you cannot print oil or gas

however when it comes to international commerce its the commodity that matters... our money means something because it is backed with gold... you cant print gold can you. take a moment for me and just google green back before you try and talk

Our money has not been backed by gold since the 70's. It's now backed by our Gross National Product. More Value than gold but more volitile as well.

finally, someone who is actually using his brain. GOLD? that guy jeffenstine just doesn't know squatdiddlyshit, thanks for lettin all these dumb asses know.

it happened after 1964
read something about your damn history !!!
let me give you some clue... a president called Truman, he saved american *ss economy back then. you guys really should thank his currency policy.

dont live with google, not everything you found on google is true. use your brain to think b4 you really want to say it.

ok backup with gold... read from textbook? lol make ppl laugh dude...
what year is this? 2006 who will believe that BS?
the power and politics owns everything !!!
I am not a mideast idiot. I am asian actually.
lol again ...your textbook backup with gold

time work and effort to get that rock, is of value.

Oh god,are u that ignorant. the total U.S. military budget is around 45bn,and that includes the whole military,Research and development ,induction of new hardware (f-22etc), training, facilties, wages etc,so ur telling me that 365bn is going towards one conflict alone?Oh great,fox news does the trick again,another one lost to ignorance.
Its not just oil,its many things in addition to oil.
And how many of the bombs are from stockpiles from the cold war era,they werent made overnight after this war started!!
I said its abt oil, tighter control in the region....
If its not oil what is abt,i mean we all know iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11,there never were any WMDs,there are dictators who are 10 times worse than saddam out there,who are more of a threat to U.S. but U.S. decides to take out Saddam first (Cuba, North Korea) so plz tell me u do use ur brain once in a while and can see this.Plz dont go off on tangents and reply to these things.

I dont know how many americans know about how much money U.S. owns CHINA. you can NOT even count it. How about china sell them all? that will be fun to look.

They do not care about important things, they are like sheep taken here and there. They are like clouds without water blown whichever way.
They do not even know that the land they walk on belongs to other countries thanks specially to their president and cronies.

explains why we donate millions of tax dollars, my tax dollars, to charities around the world. We brought food to tsunami torn countries. What more do demand sire?

Those ignorant redneck believe all the bushys LIES!!

I feel so sad for those people!! ask them to show you Irak on a map and they will say is Australia!!

What can you expect from these people?? Bushy and his friends love IGNORANT REDNECKS!!!

not so bright yourself. Americans have the best technology around anywhere. We go for logistics, not numbers, look it up. An iraq is west of iran, north saudia arabia, east of jordan, south of syria and turkey. I didn't even need a map. And if you dont believe me, well, apparently I was able to find on one.

Its sad how people say americans as one kind of person, inside america there are people with all different kinds of backgrounds and perspectives on life. There are people for the war and against the war. The ignorant ones are those who stereotype a large group of as being one person. The same is to say that it is the muslims that drove planes into the twin towers. This discussion is just another one of the many things people want to point fingers and argue about.

is of no threat at this moment. North Korea, through diplomacy has been solved. So, tell me, would you like us to start another war that you can get pissed at us about?

You know, if you are going to go and call people ignorant, you have to make sure you'r not being totally ignorant yourself don't you think?
10 years ago the total military US budget was a little under 400 Billion. I strongly doubt they would have lowered it down to 45 .

If u carefully read the post u can deduce by common sense that i meant 450bn,and since metacafe doesnt let u edit,its clearly a typo.Why else would i mention the 350bn later.typical yank.......

prove to me it was a typo. Cause you want us to prove to you there were WMDs there, do us a kind favor of proving us that was a typo, and how are we supposed to know.

Another one brainwashed by bushyes cronnies...

dont get angry harsyed ya big ol numb nuts... I still don't think it's about the oil.. I totaly believe American Media sux..
I personally believe that Bush Jr took out Saddam simply because he attempted an assasination on Bush Sr.
thats it in a nut shell. now don't get your panties up in a bunch.. relax and stop all the name calling... just because you can yell at someone and get all angry doesn't prove your point.
I believe that no matter what we cannot leave Iraq until Iraq can stand on it's own.. with all of it's people safe with a governement that will treat all ethnicities and religions equaly with the respect that they all deserve.
One never knows whats on the horizon as far as Korea.. Cuba though.. what do you want us to do with Cuba? man those people suffer enough with a dictator that will be dead soon. I honestly think we should life the embargo on Cuba and let the people there live.
We have a base on Cuba because we decided it was in our best interests. and Castro hasn't dared try to take it.. so whats your point about Cuba? Hopefully once Castro is dead and gone.. things will improve for our relations with them.

That in a matter of 2 to 4 years the USA will leave Iraq no matter what happens... whatch and see....

THERE'S A LOT OF OIL TO STEAL!!!

big shift in government here.. change will come.. I just hope that all sides withing Iraq are safe and respected, that the country will be stable and free!

"i stand with my brother against my cuzin and i stand with my cuzin against a stranger"

my brother you are absolutely right i agree with oyu 100% all they know is what they are told for God sakes they dont even have the slightest amount of logic

amen brother

,, and usa too,,,

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The main thing is, US is losing because Iraqis like this one are not afraid to die for their god,,,,,And country, while the US soldiers are fighting an illegal war with no good about it. That is why they are afraid to fight, after all, the net is full of pictures of American soldiers crying, even on Meta Cafe, you wont see an Iraqi Mujahid crying. As a muslim, I believe this sniper knew he was going to heaven, while an American soldier knows he will go to hell. No worries, Time will show who laughs last

you are wrong buddy, you call blowing yourself up, killing innocent civilians, and hiding, shooting and then running away not being afraid to die for their god, Ha! you make me laugh. that is nothing but being a coward. If you are willing to die for your god then why don't you face the soldiers face to face and not when their back is turned. How can you say the US is afraid to fight, im not american but i can sure as hell tell you that these insurgents aren't brave at all. i don't see them coming out all at once fighting the soldiers face to face for this so called 'holy war', all i see and hear about is everyday a suicide bomber in the middle of innocent people killing themselves. what are you trying to prove? What really pisses me off about you muslim insurgents is how you use your own wrongdoings to benefit yourself. Everyday you hear about troops killing children and innocent people...well who starts firing rockets and mortars from residental areas? INSURGENTS! then what do they do, they hide like cowards and watch as the soldiers slam those residental areas with bombs, just to say the americans are bad people. Goes good with getting supporters for your stupid holy war. but what happened to the people not afraid to die for their god. its all bull they aren't going to heaven..those pricks are going to hell buddy. the bodies are gifts from god or your so called "Allah", so wouldn't killing people and yourself be an insult to god? especially when you blow yourself in the middle of a busy street killing innocent muslims, trying to fight the americans. where is the just reason for that. in this video this sniper got what he deserved, a nice trip to hell, all these fanatics that believe in this ridiculous religion will get what they deserve one day too, so you can post anytime buddy, all your beliefs are false and i'll prove it anytime to you.

All the negative responsed I've gotten to my original post have been flimsy. Oil, America staging 9.11, "they're not terrorist they're freedom fighters" and my favorite the WMD complaint. They always make it seem like President George W. Bush personally decided to Invade Iraq on a whim. The fact is saddam hussein had the ENTIRE world fooled into thinking he had WMD in order to threaten and bully the world. Guess what it backfired, I love it. People hate the United States of America because we are free, are the richest per capita in the world because guess what Capitalism and Commerce works, what a concept, and are very successfull in all we do. It's a fundamental concept of human nature to harbout ill will for successfull people. And on a global scale it leads to this; People saying we are the bad guys for deposing of a Dictator who'd kill these same people who are defending him in this forum. We are not arragant. We are proud of what we have built and want to share it with others. The Iraqi's the Syrian's the Afgani's, the Iranian's all want to be free. Nobody wants to live in a country where you can have you and your whole family killed for saying something wrong about the terrorist leaders. So if what Amerca is doing is wrong, then I don't want to be right. Btw, all of these people who are posting and saying I'm muslim and I hate America..... Terrorist in training. The others from our ALLY England, and Austrailia, etc. are simply socialist who can't cope with having to earn a living in a free market economy.

you are so stupid, uneducated and up your own arse i cannot believe it. go and read a book on what globalization and youre precious capitalism is doing to the third world. go and read about the blatant racism that still exists in your country. go read about the millions of people not able to afford health insurance cos you value money more than life. get out of the countries that dont F**king belong to you. sort out the millions of problems in your own F**king pseudo-democratic country and the probelms youre causing everywhere else before you worry about someone else's country

we can't make a living anymore guys. Look, we would rather not live in a thrid world country. So we have capitalism. we would rather not see someone living in filth. So we help out (we do you can say al you want) and we would rather not be dead, so we have a massive army that performs all previous things said before.

for the most part I agree with you. However, for the record, the country with the highest per capita income is Luxembourg, according to the World Bank 2003. Thought I might note it.

That bushy prefer to fund the war instead of the poor school system with FAT kids eating junk food all day,,,, is that what you call PROSPEROUS LOL!!!

Get a passport and travel to other countries..

Sorry laxman. must have been my American arragance again. LOL.

And also the FATTEST AND THE DUMBEST of the world!!

Ohh just not the u.s.a is america... remember that there are many countries in America... we have Central AMERICA and South AMERICA!!

Instead of funding the war "on terror" bushy needs to improve the school system.....

but can you prove that. Are we the dumbest? I dont mean to be cruel, but apparently we are bright enough to make millions, build the first nuke, start the internet, build the first computer, land on the moon, start skyscrapers... I could go on forever. What has your country started first?

this is what u say all the time,america free ,how so?
u are free to say what u want only ,but do u dare to say it on tv?no way examples are many.
if u say america is wrong in this war ,then u are un patriotic.
people in america are watched 24/7 in thier homes at work and in the streets.
thier are so many proves against the bush government ,but brainn washed people like u say its concperacy.
u build a mostor and u then launch a war against him to free his country by killing 1/2 of the nation,is this spreading demacracy?
more and more countries are building hate toward the usa ,why?
sadam hussein is made by the usa
bin ladin is made by the usa.
the government says syria is bad iran is bad north koria is bad etc. and 2/3 of ur smart american's believe it.
true mopst american soliders are not bad,but a big # is.
and someone said the government trailed the bad ones.
yes but they were found not guilty ,for killing raping and abusing..
why because the masters ordered that.
Ramsfield and his gang.

everyone has the freedom of speech. They have the right to say it. They say it on tv all the time, I see it all the time. They aren't unpatriot, its what they do to show there opinions that make s them that way.

when ur whole familly is killed ...mother and sister raped then you can start talking ...and with regard to being brave or not what do u call one of the worlds strongest well trained soldier hiding behind a bullet proof hummer just for a group of small gang of men armed with an a.k ...if they were men they would fight on land without guided missiles and all that crap ... if we are cowards what does that make u idiots with all the power in the world not being able to defeat a dtreet gang

"Lets stand in a path of bullets"

He was a decoy, while his squad mate was behind them just about to slit there throats.

so that doesnt happen to my family, and the iraqi family.

Hiding behind armour is Smart not cowardly. Trying to keep the Strongest most rightouse country in the world that's backed by the grace of God and the Christ Jesus from freeing a country and spreading Democracy is just Dumb. And Oh yea. It can also end with the building you're hiding on being BLOWN TO S**t ALONG WITH YOU.

again youre being a naieve arrogant hypocritical S**t what the difference between fiding in a building and hiding in a bloody F**king bullet proof tank? God is not with you and youre not spreading democracy. what sort of democracy is it when more than 50% of the population votes against bush yet he still gets into office? youre just getting yourself into another bloody vietnam. the rest of the world knows you lost that and ur gonna lose this one. deal with it.

for killing people for a good cause. The only reason they're there is to kill a bunch of americans. I don't believe they're doing it for god at all. We do it for god, because we are one nation under god, dumbass.

send yourselves to heaven to fight Saddam? You must have liked Saddam, right? Or, maybe you love your life and you were afraid of him. You fight Americans only because we are too nice. We don't treat you harsh like you deserve the way Saddam did. I wish Saddam was back for people like you.

WAIT UNTIL WACKO BUSH ATTACK THEIR OWN SOIL..... OHHH WAIT ... HE DID!!!!

What makes a good muslim? Killing innocent Iraqis? Killing defenseless men and women trying to earn a living? Driving explosive packed cars into police volunteers who are trying to rescue their country? Attacking markets filled with women and children? Come on. That is not the way to heaven, my friend. Living in harmony seeking peace and stopping the hatred is how you end up in heaven. Those poor souls are fighting for nothing . . . but death and destruction. They are the ones being brainwashed by the Islamic facists sitting in Tehran and Riyadh. You don't see those guys dying for the cause. No, because they can always convince a young uneducated fanatic to do the dirty work for them. They don't have your interest in mind. They want to maintain power and keep good honest muslims in the Middle East down. They want the oil revenues just for themselves. I don't see them going out and providing for the poor folks in that part of the world.

my brother i agree with you ... since the begining of time there was not a single Muslim afraid to die if u ppl think ur crazy u havent seen anything yet for God sakes america cant control a country like Iraq trust me u havent seen S**t u are waking up a sleeping giant if america is a big country yea i agree and powerfull but ... it is guts baby and thats one thing u ppl dont have

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im a australian and there are australian armed forces out in iraq and i happen to have come home from 6 months in iraq leading a sas company and beleive me the extremist or the people who are trying to defend them selves as some people call it are not nice people all they want is that golden heaven that they are stupid enough to believe in i mean come on the lord after you die gives you a whole pile of virgins wow thats belevable.

since you have come from Iraq let me ask you, wht do you really know about what is going on there?? you are trained to take orders, kill and die in the name of some cause you are not even sure of exists. There is a much stronger political world that drives the armed forces world you come from. You are not aware of why things are the way they are apart from what has been told to you. Virgins is not what people die for there. Basically the idea is you get what ever you desire. Seeing war might have made you question god but did it ever make you question humanity and yourself?? we have free will.. that is our natural instinct.. why let another human rule over that?? Humans are in bigger S**t now than ever in history.. y believe in humanity and not a god that will judge crimes such as war through which some powerfull people go unpunished???

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what kind of heaven is it for those 100 virgins? they have allot to look forward to now don't they?

hahaha hahahaha aaaa!! um... hahaha hahhaha aaa! grow up.. that kind of idiot thinking doesn't bother me in the least. In fact my mom would laugh at you and my sister would kick your ass ya big sissy.

maby you are so happy ( [H] sandman ) that your sis is being fucked for every body and your mother too since they were 14 or 15 years that means that they are good bitches since they were kids ...you are the best man that is prod that his hole famly are bitchs

by da way ( aske your father also maby he gets fucked from his ass lots of times befor baby )

and dont forget to say hi for your mom and your sis and for every body who fucked them

your cute when your angry!! hahahahaaa!!!

maby you are so happy ( [H] sandman ) that your sis is being fucked for every body and your mother too since they were 14 or 15 years that means that they are good bitches since they were kids ...you are the best man that is prod that his hole famly are bitchs

by da way ( aske your father also maby he gets fucked from his ass lots of times befor baby )

and dont forget to say hi for your mom and your sis and for every body who fucked them

for the 100 virgins huh... ( I see I struck a nerve ) well you tell me bud.. what virgin would enjoy the romantic idea of that special day when she goes to heaven she gets to get screwed by some greasy idiot that will spend the rest of eternity screwing her because she was promissed to him for being faithfull to ALLAH?
Is that a heavenly place for her? or the other 99 virgins that will go through the same for eternity?.. yeah whatever.. I already know your stupid. don't bother answering.

u think am angry ... loooooooool
u r so stupid to think that am angry
it is ur sis and it is here P***y
so why i would like to be angry
i dont care about any one of your F**king family
so go to sleep kid and have a nice dreams ( i dont think that this makes you angry .... right kid ) ( dont forget to aske your mother to tell you story befor you sleep ... ok little kid )

I'm probobly old enough to be your dad.
It's obvious your an angry person.. maybe you need some paxil to help you with that.
Your definately having some sort of issue with my sister and mother that I can't figure out.. are you a woman hater? or do you think that by trying to insult me with my family will somehow hurt my feelings.
Oh oh maybe it's a game... let me try.. ok here goes. your mom and dad are brother and sister and your sister has three legs.. your angry because you have hands but no arms because of all the incest in your genetics and that makes you an awefull jockey. So your hopes of crossing the desert on a horse with no name have been dashed and you type with a pencil so it takes you days to reply to my comments with broken English.. not because you can't speak english fluently but rather your pencil lead has covered all the keys on your keyboard and you have to guess where the vowels are.. that really makes you tired and irritable.. knowing that for you to comment on my comment will only p*ss you off you don't waste any time with logic, instead you decide to start out angry and then decide to hate my family.
One of my favorite comments in the world is " Your Hate Becomes You"
this entire post was entertaining and I hope from it you get really angry and write more insanity for everyone to see...
thank you for all the giggles and I hope people enjoy the stupid point I was trying to make here...if it makes any sense at all... because I'm just tired and rambling so I can fill the heart of MoMo MoMo MOooMo MomOmmmm oooood or whatever his/her name is.
hugs and kissis lil buddy! peace out!

and the Iraqis kill each other in a mass civil war then? By the way I'm English not American, and I hate the way our government parties (all of them - whoever is in power), kiss American Ass.

i've been in the same situation; tried little piece of choclate, told him to come back but he never showed up,you had to see it it was so cool.
it's called post-dramatic stress disorder and after
you say aaaaah fucki' kill'em kill those fu....
it's really sad...

This war is going into it's 5th year after more than
3500 US soldiers dead and another 45000 maimed and wounded with no end in sight? According to the
Pentagon 4 out of 5 US soldiers deaths are due to
I.E.D.'s and munition variants. This war has nothing
to do with 9/11 or freedom? This war is about oil! But more importantly both Iraq and Afghanistan are
'nation building' something that neo conservatives especially G. Bush and company have critized and not supported in the past? The US has no record of
success in nation building-remember Vietnam? This
war is fail and you are a prime example of a *ss monkey!

OORAH!!!
couldnt of said it better myself!!!!!

Defending freedom.. a strong word you might want to reconsider using about the war in iraq.

I'm out.

Yes it's a war after what happend in New York, USA 091101. A terrorist attack on a building. And for that, the US has practicly gone to war with several countries. To get some support from a few other countries, they clame that it's evidence of WMD in some of the countries. Which proved to wrong. In others there are terrorist living in the country. Therefor they decide to launch massive attacs against the civil population, claiming they are "just taking out the garbage" (terrorists). Thats whats not acceptable. A nation going to war against a/several countries for something a terroristgroup commited.

Those terrorists are inside those nations. If those nations aren't willing to commit to help destroy them, and they're not willing to let us in, it is better to go in take out them, then let some disease sit around.

Ok. I did ONE search on the internet. Took me less than 5 SECONDS. You anti-war idiots are something else. You accuse everyone else of being brainwashed drooling Bushites, and yet here it is in black and white.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html


It's about oil huh? Iraq is number FIVE of the top 15, With only 573k barrels vs. 2064k barrels for number 1. Number 4 on the list? 919k barrels per day, or 1487.8k barrels more per month than Iraq.

You idiots. Use your head. Let me know if you want anything else disproven. I think I have the spare 30 seconds it would take.

my bad, I typed it wrong.

This country needs a cival war to remove all of the morons.

I believe that the "whole point of this war" was because there were apparantely WMD's in Iraq.

Yes the terrorists attack American Citizens, but how many civilian deaths have the Americans racked up over their time at war? How many American deaths have occured because of this war, American soldiers deaths now exceed the deaths of 9/11, and these deaths were caused by the war.

this is for intstrnr, your the dumb F**k who proberly does F**k his own mother, the government in irag is nothing but a american led puppet show which you are one of the F**king puppets you stupid F**k !
nations were not drwan into the war after 9/11 as 9/11 had nothing to do with iraq you piece of S**t stupid F**k !learn a bit about the political agenda of the U.S government you dumb ass igonrant F**k head and you will see that your invasion of iraq is no better than what the nazi's did in poland.You F**king dumb ass american F**k think your all rightous and S**t but your just an ignorant fuckface with no human morals or ethics and rthe world would be better of with out dickhead like you in the world, go F**k yourself buddy for good old uncle sam i hear he likes it in ass, and your just the brown nosing F**ker to clean the S**t out F**k you mate, anyone with half a brain can swear and rant about S**t but you and your rant aint nothing but propaganda so just go F**k yourself you bush puppet!!!

Dont tripp, U have a right to say what U want.. no one should Ever care bout what others think.. its all good.. Either way.. Its a comment...

US is the only country that every 4 years start a war.... ¿why? everbody hate us, and y think that we deserbe what happens to us in 09/11, stop and think only for a minute,we killed, invaded, robbed, we are the damn vikingos of the modern era, and lamentably the world responds to which we do with them, with attacks, or other things, I am not justifying to anybody, but I think that without us the serious world better a place.

And this video shows what we realy are, our soldiers assassins, and we sent them to die far from house.

We are fighting the good fight, ask a liberal Jew what he thinks, and he'll agree. These muslim-loving assholes have no idea what freedom requires. I just got back from DC and after talking to vets in front of the Korean and Vietnam memorial you get a real sense of what these guys do. But you hit it on the head, GWB is squeezing the Muslims that have only one agenda, to reclaim the world in the name of a sick and twisted fascist belief, that by hook, crook, murder, they can reclaim righteousness through their Alah? For all those idiots in America who lack true knowledge, you are free to be an asshole, you should thank these guys for keeping you head from being severed and posted on a pole.

There are such things as paragraphs, just thought youd like to know.

I posted a while ago haven't looked at it since. Wow. I was never gifted at writing especially when I am worked up. Thx for the seriouse comic relief

Iraq never posed a danger, this war was staged to serve someone's interests (pssst... oil?). Now they are going to have civil war for years, culminating in a new government, which will be anti-american and totalitarian. During anarchy the most power hungry, cruel people come to power, "the S**t of society". And then they will need people like you, who believe everything they say and can be unleashed at those who disagree.

bushys ass was shaking to invade North Korea!! do you have the GUTS american army?????? hmmmm

you need to go back to school and learn how to spell properly, so young men are risking their lives for freedom, jesus, yanks are so dumb, you's illegally invaded another country, the rest of the world hates you's for that and its only a matter of time before bush and his cronies are brought before the world court for war crimes. what is wrong with americans that you's can not see what the rest of the world does. STUPID STUPID STUPID

you stupid yankee T**t do you really think i give a F**k you were in the army and killed a whole bunch of people? does that give you yanks the F**king authority to just walk into someone elses country and kill them? these guys have got a reason to fight and thats cos dicks like YOU r so F**king arrogant and righteous to think ur way is the only way and to go impose yourselves where its non of your F**king business. y do you think the enitre world hates you? cos you intefere too F**king much in what goes on in the world - you numbfucks supported saddam in the 80's and helped osama against the russian and now your intefereing is blowing up in ur F**king faces. you think youre any better than them? what about the abuse at the prisons and the soldier who just confessed to raping a child and killing her family - are those the F**king values you hold? go and read a bit about your foreign policy and figure out why ur the most hated nation in the entire world.

How dare you degrade our soldiers? How about you go join the Marines, ya F**king ass, and see how it is to BE a soldier? You're one of those democratic brainwashed son of a bitches who have your head shoved so far up your asshole that the light of the sun is from from view. How about pulling your head out for air and see what the life of a soldier is really like? Just ask one. When you go out tonight to protest on the median markers on the streets with your "Stop the War!" shirts and your "Anti-Bush!" picket signs, just remember that these men and women are fighting to protect your right to WEAR those shirts and to WIELD those signs. Hell, they fight for your very FREEDOM.

People like you deserve to live with Saddam in charge for the rest of your life.

4- 0 Dude.
Let's Nuke the rag heads.

Worry bout you mate man. Coz i'm not worry at all. Here we are living in piece while i heard from the news that american were killed everyday. Hmmm nothing to be proud off eh! just to get what bush want ended your ass busted. Good luck Usa which will be the fallen of you just like Alexander the great... Aren't u study History...greed will fall...

i didnt read what you type

you will never understand.

I totally agree the US military is serving a higher purpose to free the true Iraqi people. The ones we fight are like our Mexican illegal aliens Trying to make a home where they are not wanted. The fact of the matter is, that the insurgants could give a rats ass about their own people and kill them just to prove a point. We do things surgically to avoid innocent casualties and we have more respect for human life than the alah lovers (doesn't deserve to be capitalized). By the way alah already fucked your virgins. So you have nothing to look forward too.

in America before you. Are you stupid, the only true aliens in the western hemisphere are white people you idiot, these Mexicans are a mix of european and native blood, they are indegenous to the americas the U.S included. If it wasn't for them america wouldn't be the great power that it is. In the last 30 years white americans haven't been able to pull their own weight, Mexicans and other brown people from the Americas are the sole purpose for American prosperity since the 70s. They are the only ones who have fueled true american growth. Your comment is without merrit, you are a rascist pig. I'm assuming you live in an area in the US were brown people are plentiful, take a look around, they have become the middle class because you white people have lost your work ethic. Hispanics in the US make up most of the labor force necessary to keep a nation alive and moving, who the F**k do you think is rebuilding new orleans? certainly not white people, it is assholes like you that have dragged america down and continue to be the reason why people hate us Americans.

and maybe I'm wrong.. but your a hater too. you seem to think it's all about (your words) the white people and the brown people, with the white people being your kind of prejudous (spelling).
I've noticed on a trip south.. that it's the brown people that seem to hold alot of hate. Sad because there are so many people that are trying to heal racial tension.
Please understand that my post starts with the statement "I may be wrong"

completely wrong, is often dislike but certainly not hate white folk, it's your fault, so many of the stereotypes attached to white people are true, even with my white friends sometimes, like when the black dude leaves the room, they'll start talking shiit and act like their not racist, such bull. Yeah, your right about brown people being quite a bit biased concerning white people, they have reason to be, most white people that came and continue to head south go there to exploit in one way or another, not all though. Regardless i don't hate but i'm a bit biased.

I hate to point this out, but the American "surgical strikes" Happen to be taking out more civilians than they are insurgents. One of the first attacks in Iraq happend to be against a "heavily armed Region" Upon inspection of the city after the US carpet bombed it, they found hundreds of dead civilians, 2 dead insurgents, and a whopping 30something rifles, most of which were designed for hunting rodents, and couldn't touch an armoured person, let alone a tank. Would the US government allow things like this to be broadcast in the States... Nope.

sad, the censorship, and brainwashing going on in the USA.

All the world has been brainwashed, except Iraq. ??????

I still think the US military cares more about perserving life than the insurgents. The attack you refer to was one incident. They go by certifiable and reliable intelligence. Also, you can die just as easy from a .22 caliber varmint gun as you can an assault rifle.

Im sure they do,even in the heavilgy censored American media cases have come up abt torture and cold blooded murder by U.S. servicemen.Then there are notorious cases like the R**e ,burning alvie of this 14 yr and kiling all her family by some soldiers who WANTED TO HAVE FUN.There are COUNTLESS cases like these,which never get reported,atleast not in the U.S. media.
And ofcourse,there are many civilians killed in the senseless bombings.American leaders should be tried for war crimes.DO ANY OF U BRIGHT AMERICANS CARE TO TELL ME WHY AMERICA IS ONLY ONE OF 3 COUNTRY ON EARTH NOT TO BE PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIME TRIBUNAL.Im sure u smart asses cant answer that.

Oh btw,U.S. today again vetoed a resolution condemning the Israeli killing of 19 civilan in bait henoun,The only one....any answer?Is the rest of the world stupid,the whole world?Or do u guys actually approve of civilian deaths.

You know what, I agree that there have been abuses. I don't make excuses for any of them. They were wrong and the US military has come out against them. Now, let's be fair. You claim the press in the US is censored. By whom? Is this another conspiracy? The reality of it is that the press in the US is biased but not in the direction you think. Now I'm sure the press in the Middle East is free to tell it the way it is. That part of the world is the bastion of freedom and respect for human rights. Your double standard is amazing.

To answer you question about the International war crime tribunal, the reason is simple. One that even you can understand. The tribunal includes countries such as Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Russia and other friendlies who would love to make a mockery of justice given the opportunity. Just like they have in the UN. Which brings me to your last point. When was the last time that the UN condemned an act of terror against the Israeli people? That is why, the US will not allow them to do the same to Israel. This does not make it right, but it is simply playing by the same rules. Every country has an agenda and they don't always include being nice the US. In fact, when you are the only super power in the world you tend to attract negative attention more than your share.

You know,i dont think theres any point abt discussing anything with u,coz u already have ur mind made up.WHAT KINDA IGNORANCE ASS EXCUSE IS THAT NOT TO JOIN ANY INTERNATIONAL COURT OR TRIBUNAL?What if they are members,the governing body has representatives from all countries,and its a fair system,where they grieving parties have to present and PROVE their case.Why would u be scared.And this isnt the only thing U.S. isnt a part of,but im sure u have an equally ignorant excuse for that as well.
When was the last time UN condemned an act against Israel?how abt during the lebanon crisis this yr when kofi annan himself spoke against the hezbollah???
I mean seriously,why do u believe everything blindly?You said,"this does not make it right" then what do u stand for,what happened to "truth justice and the American way"?You know something is right,you know one part is the aggressor,the other is defending itself.War is messy but firs tu have to look at which side intitiated things,which is occupying the other,and then u try to end it.TELL ME FOR ONE SECOND,IF THE U.S. JUST WITHDRAWS ITS UNCONDITIONAL support of Israel for once,wouldnt it make them think twice before they kill innocent ppl?there have been times of peace between the two sides,so thats not impossible,but i guess it doesnt fit into the U.S."agenda" as u put it.If ur a zionism supporter,id be wasting my time and ur response so far has been so typical,i wonder if ur going to use ur own brain.you said "you know there have been abuses" but if at the end of the day,ur brain spits out the logic which shows U.S. as the innocent party,ALWAYS,which innocently did some wrong then things will never change.It takes bravery to stand up to the injustices of ur govt. and although u expect that from other country,Americans might be the least capable of doing just that.
How abt"when ur the only super power in the wrold,and ur ruled by greedy ass coporations,u kill for money?".
And no,im not talking abt the middle east,im not there,pretty much the whole world has a better media than U.S. when it comes to reporting on their conflicts.

This is good for you. I'm sure you're frustrated and angry but this is what free speech and debate is all about. We don't usually get into namecalling. That's only something you resort to when you can't argue effectively. It really is okay to agree to disagree. There is nothing wrong with differring perspectives. Just don't get so angry.

Syed, you need to calm down a bit. Look you've called me a zionist, and claim that I follow blindly. At least I admit to the shortcomings of the United States and agreed with you that the war has not been played out by the rules. I didn't even defend the latest Israeli attack in Gaza. So you can at least give me this, I'm trying to be fair. Where is it that you admit any wrongdoing by folks who are killing their own people. Starting a war in southern Lebenon to make a political statement, calling anyone they dislike a jew and spew hatred at the drop of a hat. BTW since when is it a crime to be Jewish. I thought good muslims believed that Jews were people of the book. The bottom line is that the United States has done more for the world in the past 200 years than Islam has done in over 1300. Everytime Islam has progressed it has been at the end of a sword. America selflessly went into Europe twice to free western Europe from facisim. They took on the godless communist world and defeated them. Anytime there is natural desaster the US is the first to pledge aide and assistance. You rarely see the muslim world do anything for anyone except riling up the youth of the world to go and die for the glory of Allah. By the way the UN condemned Israel for invading Lebenon and using "excessive" force to put down Hezbollah, so I'm not sure where you're coming from. Since the US is the only country with power to militarily intervene anywhere in the world, the international criminal court would spend every day, at the urging of Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad condemning and building cases against the US. What good would that serve? It's just another platform for those who want to spread their rhetoric to do it on an international stage. It would be like you crawling into a pit of snakes and expect them to respect you and be fair. You sound like a smart enough guy, tell me that make no sense. Look, no side is completely right or completely wrong. We are all humans and we make mistakes. Even armed with the best intentions of the world you cannot always be right. The US has not been right many times. Don't forget how much the US has contributed to the welbeing of the of the world with innovations and technological advances. History will judge the Iraq war. I contend that if we end up with a democratic Iraq it will percipitate a series of changes in the middle east that will benefit the folks there for centuries to come. Iraq is a battle ground to the much wider and larger cultural battle currently being waged between fundamentalist / fanatical muslims and the peace loving, equality seeking and democratically minded world. There are battles going on in Germany, France, UK, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Southeast Asia and many other places.

I dont think there is any point discussing this any further,u cant see thru ur patriotism.BTW,i called u a zionist,not a jew.I dont have anything against jews,go read the other post here below,ur confusing the two.Being anti zionist doesnt mean anti jewish.
If ur country vetoes a resolution condemning it,then that amounts to support of those acts.Dont be so arrogant as to take all the credit for modernity.U.S. has done more than whole of europe in the last 200 yrs?id be more skeptical,and any european here would have serious problems with that.Please dont tell me abt Islam being spread by sword?? all ur comments are right out of a hate textbood, when native americans were killed with small pox,and ppl were paid for killing them.How many million native american dead are on the U.S.?
Maybe the muslim countries would do something for themselves if u didnt support all the dictators and kingdoms.Its no secret U.S. supports the Saudis,the Pakistani general,Egyptian president/dictator and sooo many others.Why are u worried abt too many cases against the U.S. by those countries,if they do bring anything,they'd have to prove it.I already said that,if every other country is Ok withit,whats the big deal,please stop giving that excuse,it doesnt worry intelligent.
armed with the best intentions,see thers the problem,even though u admit that U.S. makes mistakes(assuming u mean that) ur still showing them as innocent,and that somehow Bush and his cronies are incapable of doing anything wrong.Im sure many ppl wud disagree with.People like Rumsfeld are nothing short of Saddam and shud be tried for war crimes,allowing torture etc.
fanatical muslims and peave loving democractically minded world.Dude,i dont want to talk to u anymore,coz i dont think ur serious abt anything.Whos starting war and is still peace loving? its ok,i understand u cant help it.You cannot fathom any wrongdoing on the part of the U.S.,any illintentions so you cannot understand what im saying.
There are battles in Germany,France?
And all those countries u named,yes they are tired of their govts. moslty supported by the U.S. but they would rather die at the hands of those dictators than be LIBERATED by the U.S. Thanks but no thanks,we dont need ur help.And im sure there are many things the U.S. shud be doing on domestic fronts rather than on the world stage,like tackling its 11% poverty.You want to spread democracy when u havent had a woman or black president in ur history,plz spare us the compassion.The world u live in where U.S. is so perfect that u need to be sorting others out only exists in ur mind.Let us solve our problems while u solve urs.No democracy is worth 10000s of dead husband, wives, mothers, daughters brothers and sisters, yes even those who are non American.

BTW are you reading every other word in my responses, because I swear you're twisting my words and creating a new reality. I'm not going to explain myself again. God knows I've tried. A wise man said once, don't fall in love with your own ideas to the point that you are unwilling to hear others. I fear that you my friend, if I may call you that, have fallen in that trap. I never claimed any one or person was perfect much less so the US. We all make mistakes. You judge based on the totality of actions and not cherry pick the ones you like.

I do however, get the sense that you are an intelligent man who has a good understanding of history. My advice to you would be look at the full picture. The world needs more folks like you who are willing to fight and debate their ideals. You can do this in a civil way without namecalling and spewing insults.

I did enjoy our discussion and am sorry you did not. Good luck to you.

Nah trust me i read every word you wrote,your justifications to every point i raised,the only problem is im not satisfied with those justifications,its as simple as that.And the reason for that is,ive seen many places,i have many sources and above all ive experienced different things,interactions with various ppl so i make up my mind based on that.Im very confident in saying that i do look at the BIGGER PICTURE.But id like u to ask urself the same question,are u in love with ur ideas as well?Everyone has inherent prejudice but some prejudice is more harmful than others.The king of Morocco said something intelligent abt the cold war,"US. AND USSR are like two elephants figthing and the rest of the world is the grass "

which gets trampled under their feet".I feel now that USSR is gone,U.S. is still roaming around and trampling over others.
i didnt claim either side to be perfect,but its a cause and effect relationship,and the reasons for this war are not democracy and freedom as Bush wud have u believe.
Id also ask u to see if ur open minded about your views abt Islam and muslims,bcoz as far as ive seen they've been negative,typical to the hate speeches by the extreme right like swaggard and nothing short of that.Muslims have the second highest ratio of post secondary education only after indians in the U.S. iF U really believe that islam was spread by the sword only,if all muslims are senseless fanatics who want to blow up,if we are incapable of doing things ourselves then ur indulging urself in self righteousness.I know it must be tempting, that feeling that u are doing everyone else a favor but no one is.No one likes Osama bin Laden or few fools like him,but for same reason,no one likes Bush either.
Ah well,it was nice talking to u,im not sure if i made a difference,atleast i learnt that saying that i cud use for the future,so thanks.

what your forgetting is the bias view you have, and that most of these nations your saving are in there situations because the americans caused their problems in the first place, not only do are there mistakes and injustices in the american foreign policies, there are genocides, arms dealings, arms races, acts of espionage, guantanamo bay ring a bell? those things happen in guantanamo bay because their illegal on american soil..get the picture. yes america tries to do good things, on the surface perhaps, but make no mistake, america is lookin after number one, and that number doesnt include everone, just rich, powerful and influential people. i suggest a book for all people reading this to look at. its called the new rulers of the world by john pilger, and if you cant wont or dont like to read, theres also a documentary of the same name. seek these things out and educate yourself a bit on the topics of debate, maybe if everyone knew half the truth then the world could change for the better.

Haha, ur arguement will haunt u.If they U.S. cares so much abt the Iraqi ppl 1000s of miles away and that they are there to help them, then why does it have problem helping the poor mexicans who are looking for cheap labour only?actually it kind of disproves ur whole arguement abt American compassion.

this sniper on the roof is who cost the lives of the people inside the building.
The problem with your "freedom fighters" is that they use the people around them as part of thier propaganda...
See the guy on the roof knew of the people in the building but the people in the building didn't know about him... so when the building is bombed and the innocent inside die.. everyone hears about how an American bomb killed innocents.
If the insurgents would just stop the resistance we would come home.. thats the truth. and I'm sure no matter what changes we have made Iraq will still be a better place.
15 Years of this BS and Iraq is in need of peace. It seems that the real evil lay within the Iraqi people.. wanting to kill each other to serve whatever point each ethnic group wants to make.

they could have just counter-sniped him instead of blowing the whole f*****g building up

Is 40 % Mexican you motherfucker piece of deep S**t cocksucking racist bitch, if it wasn't for us, you would've lost the F**king war, if it wasn't for us, you would be an uncivilizated nation, you wouldn't have had the enough manpower to do the hard jobs, your society and industries would've ended crushed. The fact is that mexicans do the hard jobs in U.S. we were here before you stupid fat bitches. The only reason why your country is still progresing is because you have mexicans working in it...
The fact that mexicans are happier than you filthy american pigs, makes you mad, go to Mexico, you'll see people are happy, not like you, you have plenty of emo bitches, you also have alot of goths and we're happy even though were poor.
The thing is that, you only survived in America, because we, the mexicans, were here to help you.

You wrote S**t load of words.....I don't think anyone's gonna read that but I got your point, nice one, "Veteran" you totally brainwashed meh with that speech.

with you,,,

but ofcourse wn it's published it's not like this way.. not funny

9/11/2001. We're just taking it to the bully that pulled a S**ker punch.

you said it all, i wonder if that happenes to one of their family members then what are they gonna do ?! uh no they are human but those guys are aa...
not human they are bad you know they don't accept "our policy" so they are evil!!!

another stupid american, didn't you think that the fbi, cia, or whoever you blame this on could get rid of those college students before they published the movie
ffs, if they could bring down the wtc, they sure as hell could've killed those dickheads

All of ya. What freedom?Whos freedom? Your freedom? Pfff....you are more slaves than you'll ever know. Don't mix us all up. Terrorist have something against americans only (only last year against you allies).And I wonder why? lemme tell you .Because americans like to stir up sh*t . Corrupt goverment that doesnt give a crap about it's people. Most of you are all a bunch of rednecks who enjoy war. You dont go there for freedom. You go to war because you enjoy killing people. Look at yours pasts war. All of them useless and people died for nothing. Im not even mentioning the fact that you havent won a war from like 1800 (Oh..ooops...I just did). So cut the crap that you all want freedom. If you want freedom stay in your country and try to make it a better place...stop the killing inside America and start educating your kids

Get it overwith and build a Walmart

Until N. Korea nuke you on your OWN SOIL!!!!

usa is the fu-ker loser at the end,,, and Muslims are who will laugh at the end,,, and fu-k your bit-ch usa,,,

Go fight for what you belive in wolfox and we will meet on the battle field.

F**k usa,,,

years ago, when KKlingoon bombed Serbia for 79 days including
HOLY EASTER, killing 1000's of civilians in: hospitals, schools,
ambassyes, busses, trains, TV stations and list goes on. He bombed
a Nation that was American ally in I and II WW, a Nation that saved
over 500 American airmen and your muslims albanians, bosnians
muslims and croat nazis wore SS uniforms on Hitler's side.. history
is reapiting, socialist Hitler and socialist KKlingoon are on the same page
against Christians!

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To fight for your country..... go there if you have the balls!!

Our troops are there, its our war. no matter who started it. At least we can have some pride in our nation.

Why??? America is in charge here. They don't need proof nothing to nobody

no thats uranus talking.

those were the fucked up soldiers.

if he is a chicken and you are being killed by a chicken oooo what does that make you idiots

Thats what the muslims say about 9/11

you know he was an innocent? yeah ok.

I AGREE!!!