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Veteran BBC news reporter, John Simpson, making a news report while traveling in a convoy including US Special Forces and other coalition troops, in northern Iraq... when they are bombed... by an American F15!
All too often ordnance is loosed off without proper target identification.
John Simpson wrote a book, "A Mad World, My Masters", telling of this and many other examples of the stupidity of war.
It's not new. My uncle was fired on by american tanks during the second world war, despite the fact that he was commanding a Sherman tank just like theirs, with clear british identity badges. But when the germans tigers came out of the treeline, all the u.s. tanks fled. Leaving him to comment "My allies were my enemy and my enemies saved my life."
How do they know it was an F-15? because 1) John Simpson is a seasoned war reporter and knows what he's looking at. but more importantly 2) the american soldiers in the convoy told him it was.
Secondly, all this talk about the confusion of war and such... it should be mentioned that the US soldiers that called in the airstrike (on an enemy tank a few miles away).... WERE TRAVELING IN THE SAME CONVOY FFS!
because the video shows an F-14 Tomcat, NOT an F-15 Eagle. The wings are totally NOT those of an Eagle, nor is the shape of the fuselage and the nose. Maybe an Eagle DID drop on them, but what we see is a Tomcat. Anyways, in every war there are incidents like this, and on every side. A terrible clip to watch, but it does give a new perspective to what for most people is just a tidy "aerial view" war.
By LiarsHateU.S. 1144804561 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removemy late grandad told me, when British planes fly over the Germans run, when Germans flew, the allies ran & when the septics turned up everyone ran.
These happen all to often caused by the Americans, a gung ho! load of trigger happy idiots & this is from a member of the RAF Regiment
at least the U.S. does not sit on there bums for 10 hours to let the bad guys get away.Then claim that there are no bad guys.I hope the rest of the raf know better than you.
By meat eater 64 1176054119 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removedefinitely an f-14.
By no-hyphens 1145594608 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removethey said it was a b-52,the person calling the coordinates for bombing gps batteries went dead,when you put in new batteries it gives your position thats why they got bomed
By rifleman 68 1148853860 Reply Spam [-1] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWhen the US base was in the Philippines, they had bomb a entire village of Natives or aboriginals claiming because they mistaken the village as the training ground. Hurray to American High Technology and reliable intelligence. As it said in the movie of Armageddon " American Technology , Russian Technology they are all made in f**king Taiwan"
By Lapu 1144210000 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveAnd my bosses always making fun of french by quoting one general or whoever during WW2: "I'd reather have german army infront of me, then french army behind"...It surely should be said the same about american army, you never know when they are going to turn on you!
By vanowm 1144201590 Reply Spam [-1] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removefreindly fire has happened to any military group in the world. i dont like it but it happens. now for you anti american dumasses i invite you to e-mail and would lovetotell you where i live and give you a first class proper education onhow to beat the s**t hout of someone
By rebelbrett410 1200680852 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removein the middle of a war and be suprised when you get blown up. How dumb can you be?
one of the green berets who was there wrote a book and describes that event in great detail. really a great book called "roughneck nine-one".
By redderthanyou20 1182736099 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removecalled in the air strike on themselfs.Check the facts before you make a comment.
By meat eater 64 1176069934 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removenow we see what its being bombed from an iraqi's point of view....seeing that F-15 coming back must've been terrifying knowing it could've bombed a second time.
By MuGeNTOM 1175205113 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removewat ever was the plan..f-15.f 14.. b52.. or even b90... they bombed by fault.. and pple died.. that's it..how a stupid talk about wat kind was the plan..
By NO MERCY AT ALL 1172188902 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThere will never be life without war...not while im alive, or my childrens lives....
This world is fucked plain and simple
It is in our nature as animals to kill to survive. When we learned to worship we learned to kill for other reasons than food.
By azzjacket 1175998493 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThat aircraft has swept wings. An F-15 does not have swept wings. It may bean F-14 or the Russian copy of it which also has swept wings.
By happy hippy 1168399919 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWish Aliens would abduct me and take me away from this warmongering planet; I wouldn’t even mind the probing.
By downunder_guy 1171879745 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveLet the american soldiers taste some of what they are doing to iraqis...
By NoOne99 1161129660 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveFUKIN AMERICANSS.. EVRY TIME THEY MAKE MISTAKESS ASSHOLES
By xxx-AD 1161031148 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removei think its a low flying stuka! jaja jk
i know defenately an F-14 ouch i feel sorry for his leg sheesh
I hate george bush though
Americans are just stupid thats all you can say. Cant you tell the location of the target over the radio not the GPS system. do it the old fashion when your technology fails on you. And what about those other mess ups? They shot inosent people in their houses because they thought they were insergions waiting till the troops will come in their houses to kill them?
And why the F***k they stick their nose in every shit pile they see? let me give examples of some of the countries - South Korea, Africa, Russia, Afganistan.
And why they want to help Ukraine to start a conflict with Russia?
sorry but the kids are not tought how to use a compas and map.They got rid of the old salts that know how to do that back in the 90s.
By meat eater 64 1176054381 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removewhy americans think that they are so good ? and they are going to fight with other countries?? I dont like americans because they think that they are the best !! they can atack everyone, but if someone atack him, than this is the worst think on world, they must revange, they call people who atack him "terrorist" i think that americans are terrorist, they atack many countries, and kill many children, and women, but they dont talk about this ... I hate bin laden, and other terrorist ... but i think that Jorge Bush is terrorist, just like Osama. [_sorry for my bad english_]
By CoKaNe 1149549458 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWHAT A BUNCH OF RETARDS
By Ambro23 1146616952 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThat was F14 Tomcat or Mig 29 ,but I think it was F14.
By krcato 1145792776 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveTIS CUZ OF U AMERICANS THIS WORLD IS FUCKIN UP!!!!!!!
By gtirladdd 1144855992 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removestupid fucking american fighter pilots, get your cordinates right you dumb shits
By gtirladdd 1144855948 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveFUCK ME DEAD! YOU STUPID FUCKING AMERICAN FIGHTER PILOTS! GET YOUR FUCKING CORDINATES RIGHT!! FREIDNLY FIRE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!
By gtirladdd 1144855859 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeonly 1 thing summs up da american army
ALL DA GEAR BUT NO IDEA
little turd-kabob. Just because YOUR army ground to a halt because both of it's donkeys got the shits. OH WELL. Funny how people always overlook how our "inept" and "evil" military and leadership has saved the free world's ASS over and over - and then helped to rebuild it all - over and over. I wonder why the OTHER continents are always killing each other and crying for our HELP? (start boombox sounds): Yeah, you suck - we know it - you suck - and show it
By LiarsHateU.S. 1144804930 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveMost countries needing help request assistance from the UN. But the US wields such power and resources that the UN is forced to bow to it, and is powerless to stop the US acting out of its own interests.
The US didn't lift a finger in WWII until they were attacked by Japan.
The US did help out Kuwait but they have a vested interest in the oil, and most of the west has a slightly shameful relationship with the Middle East because of the oil
However to my knowledge Sierra Leone and Somalia are different. THe US would love to think they are the good guys, which they are as long as their interests are served. I'd like to see them do more to help prevent genocides.
thank god it wernt the welsh dat attacked u.s.a on 9/11 otherwise all british wud b bombed "accidently"
cumon u know its true :P
that's an F-111, presently operated only by the RAF (australia). too bad we (USA) don't still use it. AWSOME bird!
By oaMaaM 1144213444 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThat is definetly not an F-111. Not that I'm expert the only planes I can recognise are F-111, FA-18, and C130. Australias AF is the RAAF (RAF is the poms).
RAAF didn't have F111's in Iraq, at least not early on, as they were all grounded in Australia due to investigations into an accident and maintenance issues.
Its a I-F ucked up!
By downunder_guy 1171879882 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removethere's some jerk using my old screen name, and responses to his comments land in my mailbox. the whole metacafe system is crap.
By no-hyphens 1148308571 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveHow do they know it was an american F15?
It does not surprise me, in every war there is friendly fire casualties.
Why does a fighter pilot think he needs to bomb people?
They are supposed to be attacking heavy targets, like tanks and artillery.
umm aren't we the only ones willing to fight in iraq...i don't think anyone else in the world really wants to help us...atleast countries with F-15s and such...they trying to stay out of it, the euros and such have their own planes
By haastyle 1144214178 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeall soldier at iraq from america are stupid
By stfunewbiez 1144202461 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveOk ya i don't like George Bush or the war but this bomb was not his fault. This bomb was the fault of a stupid pilot.
By Chestercheetah 1144193607 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThe whole iraq-war is Bush's fault!!!!
He is responible for that bomb and every single person who have lost his or her life in this war!
End of story!
Bush is not the only one that made the decision to go to war. Get your facts first before make a retarded comment.
By ptmcann 1144246520 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeafter what bush and the gorverment did to the twin towers .. bush clearly declared war on iraq and osama cause they had "weapons of mass destruction" *cough* busllshit* cough* president always makes last decision u stupid republican
By icebertz99 1144259118 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIf you have any intelligence you would know that he has to get approval before he goes to war. There is congress that has approve this you retard.
By ptmcann 1144265679 Reply Spam [+1] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIt's an F-14 Tomcat not an Eagle (F-15).
The same one used in Top Gun.
You can distinctly tell by the shape, esp. the wings.
They can strike faster and at a moments notice since they are near at sea onboard a carrier (Maybe at the Persian Gulf) Same goes for F-18 Hornets. The Navy carries attack jets F-14's and F-18's, FYI.
But who really cares.. all the F's are F'ing deadly as you can see. The thing that bugs me is why this happens too many times; death by friendly fire. They need to spend half of the billions of dollars they have to correct this problem.
...save ALL the money we're wasting in Iraq ($1trillion by conservative estimates) and get the hell out of there NOW.
God, I hate the Pentagon. I hate defense contractors that grow fat making bombs that blow up women, childeren and BBC corespondants. I hate my fellow americans whose TV-addled brains are incapable of forming dissenting thoughts and opinions. I hate flag waving morons who think the Pentagon defends our liberty. (What could possibly be more manifestly untrue?)
But most of all, I hate the architects of this war. Ironically, that BBC cameraman has seen more actual war (in those 5 minutes) that all of the following people combined: Geoge Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and Paul Wolfowitz - VIET NAM DRAFT DODGERS ALL OF THEM.
I want my money back! (and my republic)
The first image of the aircraft looked more like a British Tornado, not 14 or 15. Didn't see the twin vertical stabilizers. The second image half way through the edited video did look like a 14
By CalledXX 1144207809 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThe first image, although blurry and wobbly, is definitely an F-14 in a nosedive position with a camera view from under the plane (landing gear facing camera).
It's not heading towards the camera as I had first thought, which makes it look like a single vertical stabilizer or with 2 angled vertical stabilizers as I had first thought, guessing it was an F-18. Then I got a really good pause.
i watched this documentary when it was aired sometime last year. it was a US aircraft. thats a fact.
By peely 1144231088 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWell by all means, if you saw a documentary than that's all the proof I need. Some fat slob calling himself an American filmmaker made a documentary too, I'm ready to carve his story in stone.
By CalledXX 1144261488 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWhat really happened was it a planned attack or a mistake but no matter what at least BUSH WILL BE HAPPY FOR ALL THE BODY's ON HIS PORCH
Congrats Bush YOU OWN ALL THE OIL
the pilot should wear glasses!!!!!
horrible mistake, why can'we live without wars ?
In the first Gulf War more coalition troops were killed by friendly fire than by the Iraqis.
By CaptainXanax 1144181374 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeprobably true for most wars the americans have been involved in... so sad
By fc3s 1144206077 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeyeah ns fire kill cavilins what the hell is that named Friendly fire what dumb try to be ns ppl sry we kill cavilins by mistake > that real lifes not video games
By Even_U 1143714071 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveYou can thank George W Bush for this mess.
By CathyI 1143597788 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveI note that some of you really have no clue as to what you are talking about. The plane is an F-14 (99% certain). The pilot saw a convoy and engaged it. Enemy convoys are legitimate targets for aircraft. They are not used only on hardened targets as stated above. Who know what intel the pilot did or did not have. He made a mistake but he has to make certain assumptions none the less and he has to make them under combat conditions. With perfect hindsight, he could have done better. Perhaps there was nothing that could have helped. Remember, bad guys can shoot at airplanes too.
RE: Cathy. True. 50 million people can now blame or rather more accurately thank George W. Bush for their liberation in the last 5 years. Or were Iraq and Afghanistan better places before? And Cathy, assuming that you are a female, how do you think women were treated by those now deposed tyrrants? Women in those countries can now do what you probably have always taken for granted. Should Saddam be put back in power? Do you really want his "rape rooms" back in operation? One more little item just as trivia, you can blame G. W for the fact that thousands of children in both countries will NOT die this year as they would have simply because they are now vacinated from the most basic childhood diseases. They were not before. Est. 70,000 in Afghanistan alone. Per year. From things like Diphtheria and Cholera. All that seems to be forgotten in all this.
As for this incident, war is and always will be messy, bloody, horrific. Innocent people will always be hurt no matter what measures are taken to avoid them. The fog of war. Friendly fire is far less likely now than in past wars but, as is evident here, it still happens and probably always will. Just one example: At least one US sub was sunk by the US Navy in friendly fire in WWII. Over 100 men gone in a single moment. The military does spend billions trying to develope anti friendly fire systems. The ones now are far better than those used in the First Guld War but nothing is perfect. You do the best you can with what you have.
And just as an aside, think for a moment about this. Last year, in the US, 40,000 died in car "accidents". Most could have been avoided. Do any of you who condemn the pilot here feel the same way about the idiot driving by you who causes a wreck while they yammer on a cell phone or don't obey the basic traffic laws? Perhaps some of you drive just as poorly? Be honest. 40,000 people per year, gone. Makes friendly fire in this war look rather tame doesn't it. And I bet many of you here even think anything of it. Maybe you should before you condemn this pilot. "People in glass houses..."
Totally agree with you.
By reidener 1144273301 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveA. Thats an F-14 Tomcat. Been in the service with the navy for a little over 30 years. Still one of the top planes. B. I feel bad for an American, British, Australian, or allied troops that dies, and never sorry for a poor enemy SOB that comes in the way of our bullets or bombs. For one who has friends going to war I say FUCK THE ENEMY!
By Jin-Roh 1144281835 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThose are the things glasses of a war glasses, and die and die but innocent people while President Bush, rests calm in his cofashion bed
By El Conde Lincuente 1143521393 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveSadamm and his sons slept well in their many palaces after each day of torturing, raping and killing fellow Muslims. YOU A-HOLE.
By LiarsHateU.S. 1144804637 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThe US has been at war with Iraq since 1991 when they invaded an ally of the US....Kuwait, to expand Iraq. The US came to Kuwait's defense and chased the Republican Guard back into southern Iraq when Saddam "surrendered" by signing a resolution agreeing to certain terms.....such as letting UN inspecters search for weapons. After giving Saddam over 20 opportunities to uphold his side of the agreement, the US gave him one last deadline in 2003 to cooperate with the UN and Saddam pretty much said he will never comply with the resolution he signed. Additionally, during the 10-yr cease-fire, Iraqi forces fired on US planes hundreds of times. The problem is that the US/UN should have went back into Iraq after the 1st time Saddam didn't comply with his surrender agreement....but Clinton had other things to worry about....like Hilliary!!
By reality check 1144252000 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWhy are so many willing to embrace the enemy?
It's a mystery to me! We're a dying breed I guess. Having good morals and fighting for what's right just isn't what people care about any more.You're the salt of the Earth! I wish you well and a happy EASTER my friend!
....how does this relate to the movie shown??
By rope 1144288784 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removei wish John F. Kennedy was here to see this
would he do? go get another hooker?
By oaMaaM 1144213491 Reply Spam [+2] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIs it not possible nowadays to have a system that would allow the pilot and ground forces to double check that what they are both looking at is the same thing.
A device like iff that would allow the pilot to send a signal at the target,a bit like a laser designater.
All ground troops would have a reciever that would warn them they`ve been locked on to.
The reciever sends a coded response that will not permit the plane to drop its payload.
I understand you wouldnt want these falling into the enemies hands but the codes could be changed daily
while you all critisize the U.S. lets not forget who you call when you need help
unfortunatlly mistakes happen
it's all about the reporters and their little drippy blood spots!
By oaMaaM 1144213567 Reply Spam [-1] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removeparanoid imbecils fuck off!
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