Secularism: America Vs. Europe and Relations with the Muslim World

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Vali Nasr Muslim Iran Islamic Islamist Qur'an Religion Islam Middle East America Europe Secularism Secular
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Vali Nasr talk about the difference between European secularism and American secularism. He suggests that a major hindrance to American foreign relations to the Muslim world stems from America's ill-definition of secularism.

Question: What SHOULD America mean when it talks about secularism and the interface between religion and politics in the middle-east?

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  • Does anybody really ...

    Does anybody really get up in the morning and ponder the definition of secularism before they take any action that day?

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  • that is a question ...

    that is a question that Muslims can't answer in a way that would satisfy a secular free society

    because if a Muslims does "reform" and becomes 'civilized' with the human rights and freedom from religion that we are used to in a secular society. Then what? There will always TRUE Muslims that will pop up and rightly claim that they are following the Qu'ran and that the other ones are 'westernised' then blow up some S**t .

    my advice, don't bother with reform, just give up medieval superstitions.

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  • Brigitte Gabriel ...

    Brigitte Gabriel has a new book, "They Must be Stopped". I think atheism is good way to at least slow them down.

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  • I think he dances ...

    I think he dances around the issue that came up with Ayaan Ali and Ibn Warraq vs. "Muslim Reformers", which is a false dichotomy:

    The real issue is simply not a proper definition of "secularism", but rather the insistence of human rights for everybody, as mentioned, regardless of creed, gender, lifestyle. But this would mean less power for the clerics or fascist/theocratic regimes. So it's not mainly a decision by the US but rather of Muslims: what kind of society do they want to live in?

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  • Yes but that's his ...

    Yes but that's his point. It's a state church, same with other state churches in Europe but it's very clear that these state churches not interfere with governance and get out of the way of politics.

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