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Reality is helicopters CANNOT just land anywhere on the earth and actually need PATHFINDERS on the ground beforehand providing security and guidance:
http://www.combatreform.com/pathfind.htm
One way to avoid getting ambushed by the enemy airlanding troop & fuel-laden helicopters in open danger areas (Landing Zones) is to HOVER INSERT/EXTRACT over a unpredictable-to-anticipate vegetated or urban structure. Thin rappel ropes and troop ladders were the first means the U.S. Army (not the perpetual lying USMC) came up with to achieve this capability:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFNT80MuB3w
In the early eighties, the British again led the way in Air Assault development (not the USMC as they claim) by creating the "fast rope"---a very fat nylon rope which could be gripped like a fire pole and slid down without need of a rappelling rig to hold a snaplink and routed rope for braking action.
First combat fast rope use was in the Falklands war in 1982:
http://www.geocities.com/usnavyindanger/falklandslessonsnotlearned.htm
See photo below:
http://www.combatreform.com/britishfastrope.jpg
Hovering above the midships deck of the Canberra (passenger cruise ship converted into troop ship), 40 Commando Royal Marines "rapid rope" from a 846 Squadron SeaKing helicopter en route to combat in the Falklands in 1982...also note the superior TTP of the Brits to form an immediate defensive circle in the prone firing position while lazy, half-assed Americans just run off after letting go of the rope.
In this video, look at the 3rd gyrene to slide down the CH-53E at 0:17 to 0:25: he lets go of the fast rope
http://www.combatreform.com/fries.htm
at his legs so his weight no longer pulls down on the rope to prevent it from being blown horizontally by the strong Super Stallion rotor downwash so he ends up hanging just by his arms and doesn't know when to let go (depth perception is bad even during the day time; imagine at NIGHT wearing NVGs) and slams into the carrier deck accordingly. He's so dazed and confused (and likely injured--but adrenaline blocks for the moment) he doesn't let go of the rope and has it caught on his body as he staggers away.
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury1.jpg
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury2.jpg
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury3.jpg
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury4.jpg
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury5.jpg
http://www.combatreform.com/FRIESinjury6.jpg
When fast rope was first introduced, at least one Soldier would hold the bottom of the rope touching and as each one slid down, he'd be replaced. Then we got lazy and decided "10 feet" of fast rope laying on the ground would anchor it, which as you'll see in our other FRIES video is easily blown up into the air sideways by strong rotor wash from the CH-53E or even worse the V-22 (when its not crashing and burning).
Clearly, what's needed here is a WEIGHTED, PADDED, SLIDER CARRY BAG that should be dropped down the fast rope FIRST to keep the rope anchored to the ground that perhaps can cushion a Soldier if he lets go and falls (Ranger during the 1993 BlackHawk Down! mission) and if the rope is jettisoned (we don't recommend this, the crew chief should do some useful PT and pull it back in) acts as a carry backpack so we don't provide the enemy $2, 000 ropes to use against us. The slider/pad/carry bag could use WATER as ballast that can be jettisoned to lighten the Soldier's Load once the fast rope is stuffed inside. The slider/pad/carry bag should use an ARUC Systems metal frame with wheels to enable hands-free Soldier towing:
http://www.combatreform.com/rucksack.htm
Each Soldier should also wear a back pad like Paratroopers should when parachute jumping to protect their lower backs during a parachute landing fall (PLF).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NODvOx0V57E
What needs to occur in VTOL aircraft development is air-mech-strike: the ability to HOVER INSERT/EXTRACT M113 GAVIN & OTHER LIGHT TANKS to light mechanize troops sliding down fast ropes so they have 60+ mph, cross-country, armored mobility and superior firepower for overland operations thereafter. The USMC could have had these capabilities TODAY if they hadn't been such rifleman egotists and retired the Ontos tankette instead of replacing it with a M113 Gavin-derived light tank/APC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MZvEUlSwqU
One way to do this is by having a retracting bomb bay floor like the C-74 Globemaster I had or to be a SkyCrane like the Sikorsky CH-54 and now newly manufactured Erickson AirCrane S-64 that has no fuselage body but can lower light tanks and BATTLEBOX cargo pods from a hover.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RAltpRp06Uk
http://www.combatreform.com/nextchinook.htm
Our book, "Air-Mech-Strike: Asymmetric Maneuver Warfare for the 21st Century" is ONLINE for FREE skyjacked by Google!
http://books.google.com/books?id=RCWtHnYZ0LMC&pg
Strong hand, weak hand, hook the foot, turn and go.
By Clayxbmx [Affiliate User] 1215086544The SBS are the equivalent of Navy SEALS
By Sparks127 [Affiliate User] 1213028870look at the horizon to tell how much that deck is pitching...have to have a good eye to judge when your going to hit the deck
By fliguyman06 [Affiliate User] 1212659940Isn't that the Iwo Jima? Im supposed to deploy on that ship as part of the 26th MEU.
By younggrunt0311 [Affiliate User] 1212266962The mother of all FALSE statements.
Different things are not the same aka "equal".
What you want is a relativity "smokescreen" to not pay attention to details which is the height of incompetence.
frostmourne18 writes:
"even me a corpsman can fast rope properly lol."
Hey. All combat forces are equal. The U.S.A. and Britain are allies so why argue and poke fun at each other. They both have the capability to kill and you can't just judge American's just because you dislike or hate them. I think the SAS and Navy Seals are equal. I think the RAF and USAF are equal. They both got weapons. They both can kill. Lets stop being biased and saying one side is better than the other.
By undertake782 [Affiliate User] 1210105497ya know what really makes no sense about this is that the chopper is above either a carrier or an lph or lhd why didnt they just land..most have been some sorta training exercise I guess cause it certainly wasn't a boarding
By staloki [Affiliate User] 1207158071killpath writes:
"Army Strong 11b HOOAH!!"
TheTBagg writes:
"Ha ha ha. He said "GO ARMY! TAKE THE NAVY WITH YOU!" Oh man he said that. Ohhh... That's a good one."
I'm pretty sure they're not supposed to jump. In fact, I think the idea is to slide down the rope. GO ARMY! TAKE THE NAVY WITH YOU!
By BadFishBad [Affiliate User] 1206544542Incidentally, Mike. Yes, I do think weighted lines are a good idea.
By MajMcGav [Affiliate User] 1206538147i had a teacher in high school was a marine. he used to be a world class runner, but he'll never run well again because of fast-roping. he was 60 feet from the ground when his pilot dropped the choppper about 35 feeet (they think he sneezed, the official ruling was a rapid downdraft or air pocket....) he lost grip and fell from about 60 feet only making contact with the rope once when the chopper stopped dropping. blew out both his kneecaps... training... the corps can never give those back
By ghett0fabu1as [Affiliate User] 1204608421Yes, but must we the tax payers pay for their antics? Couldn't they form their own privately-funded Jack-Ass club in camo to do this and leave national defense tasks to the pros?
By dynmicpara [Affiliate User] 1203621678they're JARHEADS! That's why they do the things they do!
By brock10brock [Affiliate User] 1203589576USMC cant jump! HOOAH! RANGERS!
By 1297236 [Affiliate User] 1203081590You fight as you practice. This should be practice for a war insertion onto a hostile-controlled ship deck. If the USMC wasn't so screwed-up while simultaneously boasting that its perfect there'd be no need to point out their hypocrisy and incompetence. If you don't attack the USMC ego the reality of the problem will be dismissed with smug victim-itis "we've always done it this screwed up way" etc. etc.
By dynmicpara [Affiliate User] 1202707013That's an interesting analysis and innovative solution, but did you really need all of the anti-Corps editorializing? BTW, why would they establish a perimeter when they're landing on a friendly deck?
By darnitalltohell [Affiliate User] 1202680829