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When two GA pilots, one flying a Pilatus PC-12 and the other in a Beechcraft Premier jet, encountered an F-16 in a Military Operations Area used by Luke Air Force Base in Arizona last March, they had to take abrupt, evasive maneuvers to avoid the military jet. The incident, after it was http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/F16EncounterAngersPilots_197487-1.html first reported in AVwebFlash, set off a lively debate among pilots on AVweb's http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_IfYouCantHandleMigs_F16s_MOAs_197505-1.html blog about the wisdom of flying in MOAs, and prompted an in-depth report in our sister publication, Aviation Safety. This week, AOPA obtained a http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080707f-16.html video clip from the FAA showing the radar screen during the encounter, and also the voice tape from Air Traffic Control. The F-16 pilot has been reprimanded, and Luke officials told AOPA they will alter their training program to encourage their pilots to avoid similar encounters in the future. In a http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/197492-1.html?kw=RelatedStory podcast interview with AVweb, PC-12 pilot Patrick McCall said his TCAS activated about 10 a.m. that day while he was cruising at 16,500 feet (VFR with flight following) and he had to dive his aircraft as the target kept closing on him. The target followed him in the dive and when McCall leveled at about 14,000 feet, he was amazed by the view from his side window. "I then looked to my left side of the aircraft and saw an F16 aircraft off of my left wing," he said in a written report sent to the FAA. "The F16 was no more than 20 feet off of my left wing."
No permission required to fly through an MOA. There are many of them... and it would be ridiculus to fly around them all. Calling is benificial but not required.
By helobelow [Affiliate User] 1229193088 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveIt takes a ton more skill to fly a large heavy aircraft out of CG longitudal or laterally then to cruise around with an exrta 30 tons of thrust in non-combat situations. ive seen a bunch of hot shot MIL Pies have to forget everything theyve learned to keep an aircraft out of the dirt. Just had one dig in a few months back, lucky he lived. Settled with power. Im a vet so no anti mil comments please. AV only.
By helobelow [Affiliate User] 1229192463 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveVery true, true with roor wing too. Unless active combat duty they are lucky to fly 300hrs a year.
By helobelow [Affiliate User] 1229192026 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWhat? Military pilots barely get enough time in to understand dangers and aerodynamics. I am a big military advocate and salute or brave men and women. But they are mission oriented, weapons trained, have no understanding or minimal understanding of the FAR/AIM, probably don't care and make horrible flight instructors and commercial pilots unless retrained. I love what they do and what they represent. In civilian aviation they tend to screw things up. respectfully.
By helobelow [Affiliate User] 1229191892 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveRight, because flying straight and level, Pt A to Pt B, with the autopilot on makes you more qualified. That's admin, nothing more. And I can guarantee you we fly more than just once in a while "dog fighting flights".
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