The Thorn Birds - Original Sin

I suppose some people think that Jesus
didn't especially honor Mary and Joseph? ^_~

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How very very true. My priest takes care of his elderly parents as well. Believe it or not there are older people in our church who do have a problem with that!! "Honor Thy Mother and Father " is a commandment...he should be setting an example!!! He has siblings (they were good Catholic parents, 6 kids), nieces, nephews...of course he loves them in a different way, they are his family!!

Check out the Thorn Birds "In Her Eyes" video
(it's in my Favorites list, in case you can't
find it anywhere else! ^_^).

("I am not a hero, I am not an angel,
I am just a man...")

(Reminds me of what I tend to think about
TTB: Priests are people too. ^_^ They
have feelings too. ^_^)

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Last I heard, love is a blessing, even if
some kinds of love are forbidden for some
people (and, yes, I suppose that priests
are supposed to love all people equally,
and not have favorites...on the other hand,
priests are not God...also, most priests
probably have relatives that they love
[parents, siblings, etc.]...anyway no
matter what the rules are about behavior,
I don't think that rules should control
people's private feelings which are their
own business!).

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sacredtobeknown, let putit that life is a mystery sometime we can't understand about it. How much more the plan of God for your family. Hold on I'llpray for you to have courage to face the trials in life and your family and most especially to your husband.Alyaws seek God's grace.

I love this Movie and I readed the Book too! This is a very, romantic, sadness and Fantastic Video! A very Great Job!
A tear on my face watching this Vid! Thanks!

I know of a woman who caught her husband cheating on her, he then beat her, put her in the hospital, and accused her (incorrectly) of abusing her children to have them removed. She did not believe in divorce but he sued her for it. Her church, when she went to it for help/counseling told her "Well, the man needs to keep order in his home, and whatever he needs to do to do so is okay". Can you believe that?? No, the unity of the family is important, but human dignity has meaning as well.

Of course you are! No one wants to see divorce happen and families split apart. However NO woman should be with someone who is abusive to her. It takes TWO to make a marriage work, and if only you were, and he "does not want you" as you say, then there is no way you can do it alone.

I had to comment, as I have been for a few weeks now. I am for the unity of family, too. I adamantly opposed my divorce. I did not mean or want any of the things to happen which happened. But how does one stand for something (marriage) when they are alone? how am I supposed to be with a spouse who does not want me and a priest who does want me? sometimes I would like to discard both men. But I love them both in different ways. this is very difficult.

Thank you very much. That means a lot coming from you. My husband is very very sick, and I would never leave him. As for what may happen in the future, only God knows. I would never ruin or hurt 5 lives for my selfishness. God knows what I want, what I need and what will be. He put me where I am and others where they are for a reason. He knows best. Yes, it is hard sometimes as I wrote below, but when I pray for my feelings to go away, they don't, but I do end up with more peace with them.

sacredtobeknown, I congratulate you being one of the few who stand for the unity of the family, so be it and i'll pray for a happy family and good frienship enjoy it becuase not all of us have friends who understand your past,your present as what you are in the case maybe. God Bless!

Vansdenim, The thing is, I am married, and have two children. I honestly do not WANT any more right now, other than what I have, which is a very good friendship. Even if the feelings were returned at this level, there is nothing that could be done, or that I would do about them anyway. Yes, sometimes I wish it could be different, but it is not and I would never, ever destroy my family.

sacredtobeknown good to be honest with your feeling and perhaps you can till him in a halfway to findout if the degree of feeling is the same otherwise misinterpretation of gestures may put your world down. we (priests)are expressive of our clossnes and friendship to people as we are trained to draw closs to them. have courage I'll pray for you.

I am glad that the two of you found eachother on here for support. I do wish that all priests were allowed to be married if they felt called to--some people are called to remain single, but it is not wrong to be a minister of the Gospel and also be married if God leads you to that point!!!

I am continuing to pray for you.

It's not over,unfortunately.........

How did the court day go hon?? I have been thinking about you all day!! What are the charges?? Loving someone is not a crime!!! I love my husband, I do...even though he is physically sick and at times emotionally abusive. It is a long story....as you can imagine.....

TELL ME ABOUT IT! It is sooo painful, and exhilerating, and emotional, and powerful; Even bigger painfully speaking than my divorce. The last time I saw my priest friend, he kissed me, and it was more powerful and moving than 16 years of marital relationship I have had with my spouse. It was so easy to just melt into his arms. Pope Benedict has a special prayer for the protection of priests, and the forgiveness and mercy of the fallen ones. You can find it online at the Vatican's website.

Sometimes it is almost unbearable. I can't even tell him how I feel. I feel he feels the same way, but it can't even be said. I am married...it would cause problems, complications and a huge mess for everyone involved. Sometimes I think it would shock him, other times I think he already knows, or at leasts suspects...but I can't, but living with these feelings, at times I think it will kill me.

It's a strange feeling really - to be in love with your priest. I was 17 at that time, and I had never felt a better version of myself than when I was with him. Once passion got the better of us, we kissed, and since then distance grew between us. I regret that. I moved abroad 2 years after I met him, and have since tried my damnedest to get over this feeling. Yet I am grateful that I once knew a man like him. I love you, David; you are a blessing for the Church.

Exactly!! I grew up Eastern Rite Orthodox Catholic and our priests were married and had kids, and you NEVER had these molestation issues!! You have gay and molesters trying to hide their preversions behind the priesthood as they are scaring normal healthy men away!! Or they are forced to "sin" in secret!! What charges are they bringing?? Good luck and I will continue praying for you. Abolutely.

Hey Vansdenim22! Do you have any theological wisdom you can shed light on for us? Do you think you could forward this website on to some of your brother priests? Maybe we can discuss this issue of celibacy more formally. I think someone should develop some kind of an open forum to discuss this issue. Your response would be valuable, I am sure. God Bless You, Priest! Again thanks for being one! There's not enough courageous men like you!

Hey, scaredtobeknown! Thanks for praying for me. I am praying my heart out. Court is on Wednesday for me over this whole mess. So the reason I am replying: Did you know all the Apostles except James and John (the brothers and the sons of thunder)had wives and children? And I bet they were happier for it. Maybe they were not child molesters like some of our priests are today, too. They had some place to put all that pent up sexual energy! We just need to keep prayin' for our priests and each othr

I totally agree with you there. Also the Catholic church is having such an issue right now with the issue of priest retiring and not enough young to take their place. I firmly believe that it would be a LOT easier if you did not ask them to give up their manhood and the idea of ever having a wife and family as well!!

The early church did not practice celebacy, I think that St Peter was married, it was only 100 or so years into it, made by MAN!! When explaining the trinity my priest said that the holy spirit was the "feminine" "wisdom" side of God. Does it not make sense that man and woman should come together as one???