Christopher Hitchens: The Moral Necessity of Atheism (1/8)

Still unable to answer a simple question eh? How were the children of Ma'arrat evil? And how are the crusaders that butchered them any diffeent than an islamic terrorist that straps a bomb to himself? Can't answer can ya?

How many more innocent children have been aborted while you have been here trying to make some mute outdated irrelevant point?

Oh...and just how many constitutes "a few" in the heart of a christian?

Evil huh? Explain how those unarmed farmers in Ma'arrat, including the children that were grilled and eaten were "evil."

The Crusaders fought against evil. Plus the number of A******ns in america far out weighs the few that where killed in defence of the truth durrin the crus. Sorry Again.

But the crusaders didn't do anything too barbaric did they? I mean christians don't do that. You said so...right? Well, once they got it into their heads that they answered only to god they went wild. For example, when they attacked Ma'arrat (a defenseless farming town) they killed, tortured, and ate the inhabitants. Yeah! One soldier recorded "In Ma'arrat our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking pots. They impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled."

More to come....

To get his knights in on the game Pope Urban II offered them "spiritual motives" too. "You should shudder to raise an angry hand against Christians. It is less wicked to brandish your swords against Saracens. That is the only warfare that is righteous!" Killing christians is wrong, killing muslems was "righteous." The pope also gave these knights absolution from sins they had committed if they joined the crusade.

The crusaders were not "spiritually motivated" huh? Pope Urban II had his priests preach that the day of judgment was at hand, and that the devil himself was on Earth in the form of "Unclean races" (islamic people) and that god willed them to go to Jerusalem and liberate it in his name. All who took up the crusader's cross would be absolved of any and all sins they had committed, both in this life and in the next. Hmmm killing to get into heaven. Sounds like spiritual motivation to me.

So when muslems kill it is a "religious thing" and when christians kill it is a "human thing?" What a subtle distinction you seem able to make.

Actually you do. The crusades happened because the Christians in the West wanted to go help the Christians in the East that where under the muslim yoke. Now, quite trying to "divert attention" away from the those countries under anti-religious Atheism.

When did you say that? You placed christian beliefs above those of Islam saying "Christian beliefs are nothin like islamic beliefs...I know of no Christian that believes that strapping a bomb to themselves or convincing others to do so and walking into a mall full of people and setting it off, and killing numerous people, will get them into heaven." In fact this is very similar to the crusader mentality. I can see that you need a history lesson. I will provide you with one.

When did I say that? And the numbers are higher for A******n 'like it or not.' And that crus. etc. stuff happened because they believed the wrong things. Not to mention that on the Christian end that stuff was not a religious or spiritual thing it was a human thing. Now lets talk about whole sale slaughter in those anti-religion, pro atheist countries like russia under stalin, China under mao and cambodia under 'poo pot'

I can see why you would want to divert attention from the crusades, especially after claiming that christians don't conduct mass murder. But people of all faiths and or no faith have had A******ns and people of all faiths and or no faith support the right to access to A******ns . Again it has nothing to do with atheism.

Now I am not letting you off the hook that easily. You said christians don't kill on a massive scale. How do you explain the withch and heretic burnings and crusades?

i dedicate this to all americans of the united states of america

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.

It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

What history book did you get that from? I hate Christianity? Now there's a far and balanced look. Anyway the inquisition and crusades ain't got nothin on Legalized A******n especially when it comes to the numbers. Get it, got it, good.

Or anything like that huh? Try reading history. One million christian peasents were convinced by their church to invade towns, kill and R**e their people, and even to cook and eat them because doing so would get them into heaven.

Where as the spanish inquisition and the crusaders did what they did because...they believed in the right things?

You tell me.

Secularism comes before atheism, nice try, though. How's it feel to be so willfully ignorant?

yeah! yeah! yeah!..... you want to talk about mass killins? Lets talk about A******n !! And its parent... Secularism and its parent.............. Atheism.

The bomb was designed by the The Manhattan Project which involved many different government agencies and hundereds of people. No government agency has ever been maned by exclusively or even mostly by atheists so lots of christians there. It was presided over and authorized by Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman (both christians). And why not? Heretic burnins, witch burnings, the crusades...christians have never had a problem with killing on a mass scale.

Who designed, built and manufactured that bomb? the pilots? military? president? Well what would they call themslves? certainly not Christians?