indeed, and the time is now, and it begins with the corvette...the new viper acr is pretty sweet as well...
By 555555rt [Affiliate User] 1199981654 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveI believe given time if Americans invest in maintaing their brands as much as the Europeans, people will talk about Corvette along with the Ferrari, Porsches, Lambos, Astons, etc! They have to be consistent and it will take time! But it will happen!
By aintwhatyouthink [Affiliate User] 1199932334 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThis Z06 is awesome! Its a whole second faster than my Benz SL55AMG and handles better! People underestimate American cars in general! The Ferraris & Lambos got another problem namely too many breakdowns! There's probably a correlation with the price going up and the number of breakdowns! This Z06 outperforms cars twice that and therfore is a better car than cars costing twice that! This is a world beater! Im seriously thining of buying one in Yellow!
By aintwhatyouthink [Affiliate User] 1199932211 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Remove01Z06 guy, at least you and i have woken up to reality...these other guys are trying to bring down the Z06 (and american cars), but you cannot argue the facts and you cannot bring it down...
The Z06 is THE BEST CAR for the money, and yes, money, because there is no such thing as a free lunch, everything costs something, and in this world's reality...the Z06 is simply amazing!
"BUT they wern't racing off the line. must have been going 65-75mph when they started...like i said the lambo should have raped the vette"
I know, the vette wins by even more on a rolling start than a drag race because the Gallardo's AWD launch from the standing start is negated. What you see in the video is exactly what should happen.
understandable..BUT they wern't racing off the line. must have been going 65-75mph when they started...like i said the lambo should have raped the vette
By numba1scrapper [Affiliate User] 1199831459 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Remove"should have RAPED that vette"
WRONG.
Gallardo= 12.2 1/4 mile
C6Z06= 11.7 1/4 mile
"Why are we so defensive of our cars?"
I don't see defensive. I don't see many people saying that GM builds better status symbol toys for the rich than Ferrari. I see people saying the Z06 can beat them at the track for 1/3 the price. That's not defensive, that's not saying, "Z06 is better in every way than Ferrari!" It's stating a fact. How does stating that translate to defensive?
"if price is ignored, then the f430 really is the "better" car of the two, whatever that means to you."
I don't think there are too many people arguing against that. I'm certainly not. But when you go car shopping, do you completely ignore the price? Of course not. The reality is the price of a car is one of the biggest factors in our decisions of "which is the 'better' for me."
"What I mean that if you adjust for labor and materials costs and luxury options, the two are closer than you think."
You can't adjust for those things, they are part of the car, make it what it is, and are a huge part of it's appeal. You think an F430 would have the demand it does, if it had poor materials, no luxury options, and was not made by Ferrari workers? I think not.
"No. The amount built has to do with where profits are maximized (at what production level) and not what the profits are"
I agree. You got me there. In a perfect market. But reality is that the number of these cars constructed has more to do with the plant capacity that they are made at.
"What does any of this have to do with the other cars Chevy makes?"
Simple. You said this:
"The fact that Chevy makes a loss is actually evidence that there is much less demand for Corvettes than for Ferraris"
When the reason chevy makes a loss is THE OTHER CARS CHEVY MAKES. NOT THE CORVETTE. Get it now?
wow, that lambo was either automatic or owned by some rich F**k that doesnt know how to drive...should have RAPED that vette
By numba1scrapper [Affiliate User] 1199827755 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveSeriously. Why are we so defensive of our cars? We already have the largest nuclear stockpile, the best basketball teams, and the richest ceo's. Let the Europeans have this one - they're actually better at it.
By mrpanda01 [Affiliate User] 1199824987 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Remove"'At any single price, demand for f430's beats demand for z06's by a long shot'
Well no kidding! At a single price, demand for Enzo's beats demand for civic's by a long shot too."
Yeah, ok, but I wasn't arguing that hondas are better than ferraris. I was trying to show that demand for z06's being much less than demand for f430's is highly suggestive of the fact that...if price is ignored, then the f430 really is the "better" car of the two, whatever that means to you.
"Hence, why more Z06s are constructed"
No. The amount built has to do with where profits are maximized (at what production level) and not what the profits are.
"IF the F430 cost the same to build as the Z06.."
You're right. I was a little off on that, but I'm still pretty close. What I mean that if you adjust for labor and materials costs and luxury options, the two are closer than you think.
"If Ferrari made hundreds of thousands of compact and mid size cars, it might make a loss, while making a profit of the F430, just like Chevy."
What? What does any of this have to do with the other cars Chevy makes? My point was that GM can't build a car with as much appeal as the f430 for high-end customers, just like Ferrari doesn't build sedans and compacts.
GTR is worth it
By valeratj [Affiliate User] 1199814454 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removebecause once you experience the true feel, sound, and sensation from a big block american V8, there is no subsitute...the europenas make wonderful engines, but they dont satisfy my greed for raw untamed horspower...
oh, and Z06 please...
Gallardo please.
By spameister [Affiliate User] 1199596495 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveHeard of IIT? Considered probably the hardest most competitive engineer schools to get into. The indian institute of technology takes the top 1-2% of nation's students.. 1-2% is hard to achieve when you're competing with more than a billion people.
By Fishdude404 [Affiliate User] 1199563749 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveThe new GT-R is gonna cost $90,000. That's 20g more than the Z06. And the GT-R is not even that much faster. Chevy is gonna eat it alive with the ZR1 at $100,000
By Blackgam3r [Affiliate User] 1199556643 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removewow babbles. i bet you're a real thug!!
By hobagas [Affiliate User] 1199479699 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down Removefishbabblez stop hatin, cuz obviously that's all you know how to do.
By donnyinlakai561 [Affiliate User] 1199431722 Reply Spam [+0] Moderate Up Moderate Down RemoveWhy are Americans so patriotic when it comes to motors? Is it any wonder that its only Americans who defend the bloody things!! The new corvette 'now' goes round corners albeit with European influence, if they (Europeans) didnt moan about it they wouldnt have bothered to fix it. ;)
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