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Herr KRUGMAN IS A LYING APOLOGIST FOR THE POLICE STATE THAT FEEDS HIM.

WIKI CFR - the Council on Foreign Relations - this is who runs America just as Joseph P Kennedy said. Look who is in the club that decides wars, presidents & their cabinets to control them better with.

BOTH parties take their orders from the CFR except for JFK and u see what that got him? Also worked good bringing puppet groveler Ted into the fold.

100% correct - thats the ruse all power uses - breadcrumbs and circuses - all the waaaaaay back to the Roman Empire!!!

Krugman is a lying whore of govt. One in a very long line of academic, media & govt cheerleaders wasting billions in tax dollars convincing us we this corrupt bloated pig of a govt, when we had nothing at all like it our 1st 125yrs +/-!

Screw all you dupes of compulsory educations & mindless asorbers of media lies upon lies.

What cretin Krugman will never say is that 9/10ths bigger than intended government is the greatest of causes for the disparity at the low end it supplants, whose oxygen it inhales, with it's own grandiosity, costly propaganda and profitable "monsters to destroy" for justifying it's ever more bloated, corrupt and militant genocidal existence. The FED was spawned as war's credit card and an elite congressional/industrial/banking noose of taxes for the criminal vigerish.

Your mind was bent.

Agreed. "Free market" has been fetishized to a ridiculous degree and too many people believe the "invisible hand" actually exists

this is libertarian hogswash, that is probably well meant but has little relationship with real world.

Men are not free to contract for their employment in a way that can be described in any meaningful way as actually "free"

Go to a your local McDonald's and try to negotiate your own private contract of employment, with own pay and working conditions and see how far you get.

Nah mate... corporate tax is a bit more complicated than that... in USA tax varies according to size of company for example.
The end result is difference in corporation tax is not that much, and mostly comporable.

As for saying all EU businesses are subsidized, what rubbish is that? What's the evidence that BMW is subsidized? Do you really think anyway that no US industry is subsidized?

The fundamental insight that would clear up the argument about the disparity of wealth and incomes is that labor and capital earn their rewards and landowners do not. Land value is 100% created by the community as a whole and when collected by private individuals is a 100% unearned income. Taxing land value heavily and untaxing the wages of labor and profits of real capital would level the playing field and allow all to earn and keep their just rewards. Google 'Henry George' for more.

Man needs law to enforce the non-infringement of his natural rights from govt among others.
Both guilds and unions are about job protectionism in league with the bureaucratic state. Unless business is privileged by govt, business must compete for the best workers.

Leave behind what the now too well revealed establishment pro-state shovelers of Keynesianism cling, w/gold near 1k, those ideas deserve the severest of stink-eyeing, no? See what Lord John Meynard Keynes sez of inflation's use.

It's fantasy to say that all regulation is bad and all trade unions are bad.
there's fundamentally no reason why unions and stronger employment law protection cannot strengthen the US economy, other than that right wing politics have triumphed in last 25 years. it's a myth to believe that the secret to having an OVERALL strong economy is having no employment protection.

In theory, you are correct. True capitalism works; markets don't need govt. interference. Unfortunately, you're wrong about Unions growing out of guilds. Unions emerged to protect workers against a form of slavery. The destitute conditions long famous to American cities is consequence of capitalism.
At the end of the day, man needs laws to protect others from him.

Xaltotyn, you're living in a world of fantasy. Europe has a corporatist system, commonly called the Iron Triangle, which mediates betw. corporations & unions. Such labor laws can be attributed to the genius of Bismarck, who was mitigating the spread of Communist ideology.
In America, Unions were a necessary response to slave labor, but soon lost their purpose, becoming a disservice to the nation's economy. The idea of making $60K a year in the 1980's for driving a fork-lift is ridiculous.

FACT: mankind needs govts, and the unions it privileges over free markets, like a hole in the head.

We need ANOTHER century of heinous genocides for profit so the cabal of politically over-privileged banker/industrialist/elitist/mercantilist/govt/unionists can continue taking ever bigger chunks of the people's production to make THEM richer.

Mercantilists gain with govt intervention

Capitalists gain by pleasing the consumers who alone will make or break them upon a level playing field

BMW is subsidized like ALL EU businesses. Also EU corps pay lower tax rates than US corps.

Unions like the guilds they grew out of were always and are always about protecting their jobs at the expense of others.

EVERY individual deserves to contract his OWN employment based on HIS OWN ability to produce in a transaction BOTH parties FREELY enter into - that is freedom - anything less is slavery.

Markets where govt does NOT interfere is what's needed where employers compete for wrkrs.

the problem in USA is that politics attacked unions in the name of big business... where actually big business meant bigger inequality. if wealth is shared amongst company then company can be more productive. unions can help to share wealth and make company MORE flexible.
if managment and unions are not working together then it is true that a company can suffer...
therefore what is needed is a different working culture where the prevailing economic model is not: screw the workers...

basically you are wrong about unions. unions do not automatically mess up private businesses. look at germany - the most successful country for car exports. look at BMW, a leading brand. Does BMW have unions? Yes it does. Do the unions contribute to the success of BMW? Yes they do.
The point is that a mistake neo-cons make is to say: unions = bad and regulations = bad. Actually the truth is more complicated.

Amen

Yeah just freakin look what UNIONS have done for the auto workers - priced themselves right out of jobs is what!

Let every free man contract for his OWN employment based upon his OWN abilities.

Krugman is a lying apologist for big govt he serves so well because he produces NOTHING of use for average Americans, but instead for the coercive state that feeds him off our wallets.

If Wal-Mart were unionized, people working there would not need welfare and medicaid, and other public support services. Remember, union workers in the auto industry lived good middle class lives, so should service workers.
Sign the petition against Wal-Mart suing their brain damaged employee. Wal-mart is fascist

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What's more I'm in north Italy, near Austria, where there isn't organized crime and all works perfectly. However with wages it's the same and my kitchen, for instance, is full of made in china furnishings from Ikea, a Swedish chain which imports them in EU.

In Italy organized crime has a firm grip on many things, but Unions. Maybe because a long communist tradition our Unions have honest leaders and people. And notice that economically I'm rather right-wing, so I don't say this to praise our leftists (they're wrong but I've to say honest). The fact is that our factories make the same things Chinese ones do. Whatever power unions had, not it's vanishing under the ghost of layoffs.

That's a product of monetary policy and trade policy. Which, if unions were truely functioning properly, would be cohesive to production in Italy. I'm afraid that organized crime & corporate power have a strong hold on everything in Italy, maybe more so than in the US. You can't even get the trash removed in Florence (or is it Naples) because of interference by organized crime. A similar situation exists in my hometown of Youngstown, OH. The mob controls everything & the city is in ruins.

Only if the market is a highly regulated one. If the market is put in charge of regulating/overseeing itself, greed will become rampant & the market will self-destruct. This is what we're seeing now. But, there really is no such thing as a free market. Never has been, never will be. In a free market, labor would be allowed to organize for better working conditions. There would be no gov't subsidies for corporations, no collusion between the two. There would be no bail-outs, of anyone.

Thats basphomy! We will never allow such a dangerous thing to exist!