Mathematics in the Koran

I know the documentary you pointed out. As far as I know it is by Harun Yahya.

I spent some time in analysing those miracles and found none of them convincing.
A user named DayfallKat made a great video series on miracles in the Koran. You might want to check them out.

I am glad that we agree that the 19 code is a hoax.

For the other examples (I guess you refer to the counting of "day" and similar things?) I provided two arguments:

1. In many cases the counting can be done in various ways which allows for using the result that suits the miracles claim best.

2. By statistical probability there have to be be mathematical correlations in any text. This is necessarily the case.

im muslim and i dont think this is a thing such universal number. however the quran does contains numerical mircales. you mentioned some of them and there are there are more examples and i agree with you it doesnt prove the quran is form god but it does show how sophistcated the quran is. but what about the scientific mircales in the quran? i recommend you to go to my favourite and watch a 65-minute documentary about the scientific mircales in the quran.

I tied to prove in my video that there is no mathematical structure in the Koran - or, more precisely, that there is no proof for it.

I agree to your other points though.

Yes, the Quran was constructed with a certain mathematical harmony, but that doesn't make it God's word, or special in any way. It is a beautifully written book, and contained human wisdom, but also some very objectionable material that results in pain and suffering for many human beings. Like the Bible, it is a human construct, written by people who may have thought they were setting forth God's intentions, but alas, they were not - it's a human creation like any book.

Do Islamic mathematicians mention the spooky connection of 19 in the context of Mohammed's 1 penis and his 9 year old wife?

HAha yeah it's so true. There's hundreds of different "profound" facts. You could take any number at all and find a whole bunch of profound facts that had to do with multiples or factors of that number.

3. How likely is it to get the presented findings by chance? For example: How can we rate the probability? Did the presentators do any probability calculation? How did they do it?

4. How are the findings presented? For example: Are the hits and failures both documented or did the authors some cherry picking?

You might notice that it is possible to evaluate a lot of points regarding the 19 code without speaking Arabic.

1. What were the criteria when doing the counting? For example: Which forms of a word were counted, which were not? Which suras and verses were included in the counting and why?

2. Was the counting done properly? For example: Was it done according to the claimed criteria? Were exceptions made and why? What are the results of independent recounts?

If you dont know arabic, then what are you trying?

My friend, sabeer, numbers in the Qur'an dont add up. Coincidences, they happen, but are just coincidences. There have been two presidents named G. Bush, father and Son, does that means there is a Monarchy in US? No, of course not. To say there is a practically a monarchy in US ALL of the presidents most have to be related. Unless you can show ALL the numbers related to the Qur'an are multiples of 19, or any number you can find, your "numerology" case can by dismissed as pure coincidence.

Excellent video debunking profligate numerology.

I only ask you because you have provided a video with information from the Koran. It came from the Koran and was debated in another forum. I appreciate you taking the time to answer.

Yes, but what is your interest in this verse and why do you ask ME?

My interpretation:
It seems to me as if the verse deals with the biblical story of the Israelites, who had fled from Egypt and were on their way to Palestine.

The Israelites are hesitant to enter the country, because the people there appear to be too powerful.
Moses demands to enter the country.

1. Do you claim that the angels can not be meant here? Or do you claim that the angels are not necessarily meant?

2. In English it sounds very unusual to refer to the number 19 and to use the plural form of the verb. The plural indicates that a quantity is meant.
How is it in Arabic?

3. I read that "Al Nisa" and "Unsa" can also mean woman. What is the difference to "Imra'a"? Can "Al Nisa" and "Unsa" also mean "wife"?

4. "Rajul" means man. Has it also a secondary meaning "married man"? Did you check the cases of "Rajul" if a married man is meant in every case?

5. Are there other Arabic words that can mean "married man"? Why are these cases not included in the counting?

"i'll explain you more whenever required"

Great! I will use that offer intensely.

1. So "Imra'a" does mean "woman" but can be used in the sense of "wife".
Why is it that the Koran uses "Imra'a" 23 in its second meaning but only one time in the standard meaning?
Why does it not use "Zojah" there?
Is there a connotation that can be expressed by "Imra'a", but not by "Zojah"?

2. If you count the meaning "wife", why don't you include the cases of "Zojah"?

Because I do not understand the meaning. What is your understanding of it?

You see when Qu'ran wants to use a word for a woman it uses the word "Imra'a" when it wants to uses the word for a wife it uses the word "Zojah".
All Wives are Women but all Women are not Wives(as you have said above).
now i think you would have understood a little why some words were used...
i'll explain you more whenever required.

"mar' is referred to imaginary men. I'd better put in this way , it's used in a sense of examplary way. just like it has been used in "2:102 ...between a man and his wife"
this man could be any man this wife could be any wife, but 23 times the Qu'ran talks about the men are not imaginary or exampalary.

In standard English "wife" means "married woman", but according to Merriam Webster there is a dialectical use of "wife" synonymous to "woman".

In the English language "man" can refer to the human male and it can refer to the human species.

The word "mar'" seems to be used similar.

Why is it not counted in the cases when it means "man" in the sense of "human male"?

Brother my point applies to the cases i mentioned.
It's good that you are understanding my argument and I'd prove it to you when u'll ge t the complete understanding

It's to make you understand what that means.
Does "married woman" mean 'wife'?

Dear Sir!
Can you use the word MAN in the sense of MAN (always)?