Fn Five-Seven Pistol: Long Range Firepower, Part 1

"Sorry... what? Wiki:
The SS190 AP ball FMJ is designated as armor piercing (AP) ammunition, designed to penetrate body armor. Its sale to civilians is restricted"

-What specifically is your point?

"Oh my, off by one. (rolls eyes)"
-Your the one making the assertion, you should at least be factual/accurate

"I will take my 9mm or .45"
-Good for you

"Can you link to any study that shows the 5.7 pistol produces a certain percentage of recoil reduction compared to various 9mm firearms and trigger and bore height allow for fast shooting?"
-Its called physics

You have yet to show how all the statements you have made are scientifically proven. You stated "wound profile of 5.7 typically far exceeds that of 9mm FMJ & unexpanded HP." How do you discern this as fact from educated options based on a verity of factors by a certain individual?

You have made your argument based on what you believe to be true and I have made mine.

I carry what I know will work in a firearm that I can shoot fast and accurately.

I assume you do the same...

Are you serious? Firearm grip, triggers, recoil, etc. is all subjective. It IS opinion. It determines what people like and what they do not like. Those factors determine how accurately and how fast a person can shoot a firearm. Opinions are a necessary measure of a pistols attributes.

Since there is little evidence about which caliber is more lethal than another, opinions are formed based on factors such as velocity, weight, target density, barriers, etc. Fact is unknown.

Sorry... what? Wiki:

"The SS190 AP ball FMJ is designated as armor piercing (AP) ammunition, designed to penetrate body armor. Its sale to civilians is restricted"

Oh my, off by one. (rolls eyes)

That's cool. Hi-cap, low weight. Good stuff. As long as it is lethal. I will take my 9mm or .45.

Can you link to any study that shows the 5.7 pistol produces a certain percentage of recoil reduction compared to various 9mm firearms and trigger and bore height allow for fast shooting?

Thanks...

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"Opinions are very important"
-Opinions are like assholes
-EDUCATED opinions can have limited merit
-UNeducated opinions are as useful as stink on a turd
-UNeducated opinions purported as fact are worth even less

"Firearms, their grips, etc. can be great on paper, but poor in practice"
-Cite SPECIFICALLY what FACTS of the Fiveseven are great on paper but poor in reality (not opinion).
-Also cite the specific basis for each.

-Having a pistol shoot 150M is fine and dandy if you are out having fun. Realistically, it doesn't mean much when you take into account actual situations found in defensive shooting situations.

-Beretta does not use them because the have always used 15rnd mags. The new 90-Two uses 17rnd mags in the same size package. Military doesn't have much to do with the discussion. They went with shitty after-market mags that made the pistols less reliable to save $, so that doesn't mean much.

"I am talking around the same capacity"
-You stated SPECIFICALLY that there were many, nothing about "around"

"I don't loose sleep over 1 cartridge when we are talking about 20 in one mag"
-Good for you
-I rather enjoy an average of 5 more rounds in a pistol that weighs ~40% less than most

"Heft on the positive side does help tame recoil and control"
-And yet the Fiveseven still produces 30-50% less felt recoil than your Beretta that weighs 40% more.

"Not a bad thing, just kind of a useless argument considering the effective and practical range of a pistol"
-Useless says you
-Effective/practical range of the Fiveseven is ~150m
-With a drop of just less than the A-zone at that range
-9mm will not even hit an USPSA or IDPA target at that range and same POA

"All of mine have been flawless"
-Good for you
-You didn't answer the question

Opinions are very important. Firearms, their grips, etc. can be great on paper, but poor in practice.

Not a bad thing, just kind of a useless argument considering the effective and practical range of a pistol.

I have never read one negative report about mec-gar's Beretta mags. All of mine have been flawless.

I am talking around the same capacity. I don't loose sleep over 1 cartridge when we are talking about 20 in one mag. Yes, the 5.7 does have the weight advantage. I have already stated that. Heft on the positive side does help tame recoil and control.

-That's why posting FACTS instead of opinions is a good thing

"the huge majority of defense shootings are within 3 yards it doesn't really mean much..."
-Explain how a flatter trajectory is a BAD thing.

"Mec-Gar mags are the OEM manufacturer for Beretta...You wouldn't trust them?"
-No
-Ever wonder why the military restricted M9's to 15 round mags?
-Ever wonder why Beretta has done the same?

"The CZ SP01 holds 19, as does the new XDM 9mm"
-And they are both respectively larger
-And they are both substantially heavier
-Still waiting on the 20 rounders.....

It has always felt quite large when I have held it. As for owning one, no thank you. I don't care for the way it looks or feels. I wouldn't make much use of it. The PS90 however I would like to purchase. Just don't have the cash...