Wright Brothers Have Lift Off

Be serious! I saw those movies. You can not say that this is a flight!

Flyer-No look at my page and see the way the Flyer actually flew during the test flights.
On the December 17 date, there where problems, I was there and the motor was having ignition problems as well as the damp fabric and lack of wind. Now see how it really flys.I have posted 2 videos.

Check out some of the video that has been posted, this will prove that the 1903 Flyer can and did fly as the Wright's claimed.
Clearly we see that this machine has full capability to fly and the pilot has control. The amount of HP is sufficient, just as the Wright's had calculated.

do your research before you right something stupid the wright brothers first flight was in 1903 Santos dumont didn't start flying until 1906

Adrian. Look the youtube video "kitty Hawk First Flight Recreation - 2003".
This video shows how the F-LIER 1903 flew.

this video isnt first flight. on their first flight only one pilot flew. in this vid there are 2 pilots.

The fact is a prove. Please show me the prove. Where is the Flyer 1903 flying?

For me the use of catapult is genial. I have nothing against it.
Anyway, the Flyer 1903 will not fly even using a catapult, downhill, strong wind or praying.
The Flyer III (1908) is a perfect airplain. One of the best airplains in the 1900´s decade.

Warp13. I agree with you the Flyer 1903 Glider Patent is perfect!

As another poster said W.BROTHERS was not the first to fly a powered machine, Santos dumont was. the demoiselle guy !
he was friend of the french royal family and he used to land his demoiselle on their backyard. He was the first to flew around the Eiffel Tower, in 1905 he was one of the most famous person in the world. WRIGHT BROTHERS happened after this. this is fact.

CATAPULTS & ASSISTED TAKE-OFFS:

Catapults, which are still used to launch airplanes, do not in fact make an airplane fly neither does any other assisted takeoff such as one plane launching from the back or belly of another. Any design has to be aerodynamically sound to stay in the air on it's own. Wilbur Wright was chastised by the French over the catapult in 1909. So he disengaged the catapult and took off on the rail alone. Langley used a catapult but no point was made of it cause he failed

Gusmao flew a MODEL balloon in front of the King of Portugal and the fire used to heat the air in the balloon almost set the curtains in the palace on fire. There's a painting of this model balloon at the palace on Gusmao's wikipedia entry.

hob & Flyer: you two are more prone to argue than to discuss facts. Every time me or Warp13 gives you facts you immediately challenge with no facts. Santos was not the first to fly a powered machine, the Wrights were and nothing is gonna change that. As another poster said this issue was settled in the 1940s between Orville Wright & the Smithsonian Institution.

Americans claim : Wright Brothers, first to fly. when they pushed their plane from a hill. It indeed happened. some years before this, a Brazilian guy : Santos Dumont, did it first! many times, over Paris. Without help of a hill or wherever. He was the creator of the "demoiselle" model adopted all over the world still today. The first demoiselle was his particular plane.I wonder when the Americans will be reasonable to(at least) share this piece of history.

Flyer-Yes, have you read my reply? Or are you just blindly ignorant? I have read the patent, I have seen the drawings, I have pasted a portion from it, and as it is titled a patent for a "Flying machine", and as it further states, "application of mechanical power", the specifics of the patent as has been mentioned by deepseadirt, is the need to protect the control system, that was paramount.Perhaps, you should read some of the replies, the means of power was not an issue.

Have you really saw the Bleriot 1908 airplain or Santos=Dumont Demoiselle?

It is impossible to say that they had not control their flight! Be fair please!

They have designed, built and flew with their airplaines before 1908 when the Wright Brothers appears in Italy with the Flyer III.

After 30 years have you did not understand yet? Simple, this is a glider patent.

The Wright Brother Glider is a wonderfull work.

Please, show me the prove. Where I can see the Flyer 1903 flying?

Gusmão did not tried again because the church pressure. He could be really burned. He flew in front of Portugal King and thousands of people in 1709.

I've been acquainted with the drawing for the last 30 years. The drawing's/patent's purpose is to indicate a control system(ROLL, PITCH, YAW), rather than the fact that it's an aeroplane or glider.

not my guess. All of the pioneers and the dates they experimented are documented in the two decades before the Wrights. Nobody was successful. They were hopping into the air uncontrolled and not staying in the air. Pearse in New Zealand came close with a sail flight down an incline. Anything launched from a hill is gonna drop by the laws of gravity.

Yes it was the Wright Brothers first flight WAS proven. The Virginian-Pilot corroborated the story on December 18 1903 though inaccurately, the Western Union telegram Orville sent to their father is dated December 17 1903, the five people present during the flights and the fact that the brothers kept flying in 1904 & 1905 improving their Flyer, make the 1903 flights credible. ...Gusmao if he did fly in the early 1700s, for whatever reason did not REPEAT his flights.

If you go in the same approach, everybody can say the same about the First Flight of Wright Brothers. The Wright´s first flight (1903) is a rumor or a speculation and was not proven either.

Henri Giffard, Gaston Tissandier & Charles Renard and others have preceded Santos=Dumont for sure. Dumont had contribution for a very precise control of the dirigibles.

This is just your guess. Of course many people were working in that to fly in heavier-than-air and they add this "small" comment about mechanical power, but it do not means that they have already a design and no either a airplane.

This Wright´s Glider (1903) was perfect looking in this way, but everybody knows that Otto Lilienthal was the first to have a controlled glider flight.